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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

After drafting Minnesota center Daniel Oturu with the No. 33 pick, the Knicks sent the selection to the Clippers in exchange for a 2023 second-round pick

BUT WHY THO?  What are the chances Detroit's 2nd round pick in 2023 pick is in the top 3 picks of the 2nd rd?

Is the 2023 draft something special?  How does anyone know that?   

[carlos123]

After drafting Minnesota center Daniel Oturu with the No. 33 pick, the Knicks sent the selection to the Clippers in exchange for a 2023 second-round pick

BUT WHY THO?  What are the chances Detroit's 2nd round pick in 2023 pick is in the top 3 picks of the 2nd rd?

Is the 2023 draft something special?  How does anyone know that?

WHY?
Just taking a page out of Trumptin’s playbook.
No particular reason, just do stuff.

[facilitatorn]

It was pretty nuts not to take a flyer on Woodard or Bey. Thibs might not want to over do the youth thing. We’ll see how it turns out.

[bodiddley]

Uh, did Knix actually improve?

Quickley sounds intriguing.  A 3&D G.
I think he was always in the 17-25 range, so I didn't look into him at all.
Better size than Malachi or Tre.
Give the FO credit for moving up to get a better selection at 23/25 rather than 27.

But I don't get ditching the #33 pick.
Otoro didn't make any sense for NYK.
But Maledon, Tre Jones, Ty Bey, Woodard all seem to have some promise.

Woodard sounds like one of those 3&D wings that drop to the 2nd round and then have a solid career.
Knix could really use a defensive SF.

A C- draft

[bodiddley]

So Knix take Toppings instead of Avdija, TyH, Vassell.
Just wow.
Avdija touted as Luka's Israeli cousin.
Would have seemed a good fit as a genuine SF with all-around skills.
Also fairly plug and play as he's already been a solid pro.

The late risers Pa Williams and Okoro went 4 & 5.
TopDog, Avidja and TyH were the lotto droppers.

The Knix needed to take kiid's advice and trade down once ObiT was in hand.

Toppings?  TopDog?  ObiT?
At leats his name is great for knicknames ...

[bodiddley]

Klay Thompson injury:
Warriors fear significant Achilles injury, MRI scheduled for Thursday

Depressing News.
Hopefully he's okay.

[facilitatorn]

So Knix take Toppings instead of Avdija, TyH, Vassell.
Just wow.
Avdija touted as Luka's Israeli cousin.
Would have seemed a good fit as a genuine SF with all-around skills.
Also fairly plug and play as he's already been a solid pro.

The late risers Pa Williams and Okoro went 4 & 5.
TopDog, Avidja and TyH were the lotto droppers.

The Knix needed to take kiid's advice and trade down once ObiT was in hand.

Toppings?  TopDog?  ObiT?
At leats his name is great for knicknames ...

I’m going with ObTop.

I prefer Deni to Obi in terms of general profile and fit, but we’ll see what we get. He has to find a way to keep up on D or we won’t see much. He’s got everything you want in his offensive bag.

We wanted shooting. Obi hit at 39% or thereabouts. Quickley was around 42%.

I don’t hate rolling the last pick forward and keeping some room for free agents.

All in all, I’d give this draft a B.

[Kam]

I actually will give the Knicks an A- and would've been an A if they had not flipped a high 2nd rounder for a who knows what 2nd rounder in 3 years.

The reason I give them an A/A- is because they knew who they wanted and executed the draft perfectly. 

1.  They did not deal assets away just to move up and by staying put (they must've extensively scouted the other teams drafting before them with knowledge of who they liked) they had their choice of Toppin, Avidja, TyH, and Vassell.  The Knicks knew someone they wanted would drop.  So they executed the #8 perfectly.  We may not like who they picked as much as we would've liked the other names mentioned, but we're just reading the tea leaves and don't know from draft write-ups who is going to be better in the long run.  Lot's of teams passed on the other names mentioned too.   

2.  The deal up from 27/38 to 23 then deal down to 25/33 netted them the guy they had targeted as maybe being unavailable at 27 (Iman Quikley) and a future 2nd rd selection.  They showed up the Utah Jazz who could've had the 25 and 33 and 38 for their 23 but instead wound up at 27 and 38 to show for it. 

We might have taken different players. but you cannot say the Knicks were outmaneuvered or lost out on anyone.  By the end of the night Leon Rose and co walked away with the two assets they coveted (and as of yesterday probably didn't have confidence they had the ammunition to attain) .  So it was really a great job in draft plan execution.  Again we can quibble about who we think was a better pick but the Knicks went out and got their targets and didn't weaken their stockpile of assets to do so -- in fact picking up a future 2nd.

Can't complain tonight that the Knicks got played.  You might think they played themselves and that's your choice.  But they played the draft and other teams perfectly.

[bodiddley]

I went mostly with CBSports for my draft info.

And Jack Maloney there has a love/hate relationship with the Knix picks:

8. New York Knicks: PF Obi Toppin, Dayton

The Knicks obviously need a lot, but that fan base will love this guy. They desperately want something to be excited about. Toppin can be that. I would not have taken him first overall, but he should not have dropped this far and should be the favorite for rookie of the year. Grade: A+

&

25. New York Knicks (via DEN): SG Immanuel Quickley, Kentucky

He's the reigning SEC player of the year and shot 42 percent from 3-point range, but this is nearly 30 spots higher than I expected. His upside just does not match this place in the draft, but he could be a good shooter if nothing else. Grade: D+

The second lowest grade he gave -- his draft report card was almost all A's & B's -- with only PHX taking a Center @ #10 lower.

I had basically the opposite reaction.
But Quickley is completely new to me.

[bodiddley]

Again we can quibble about who we think was a better pick but the Knicks went out and got their targets

Quibble over the actual selection, but the process was impeccable ...

Kind of funny.

[kidcarter8]

Toppin/Avdija is something I hope we dont need to discuss for years

Good morning all

Kam - No Oturu - because WE DIDNT WANT TO KEEP 3 ROOKIES

So... what's this about Bogdonavic?

[kidcarter8]

The second lowest grade he gave -- his draft report card was almost all A's & B's -- with only PHX taking a Center @ #10 lower.


Smith will be a stretch 4 in Phoenix.  They have a center.

[kidcarter8]

Knicks will pick up the Bullock option today, as expected.

[kidcarter8]

Waiting to see if Knicks management gets grilled (by media) on Avdija and point guard pass.

Also - Undrafteds starting to roll in.  Yurtseven of Georgetown to OKC, for instance.  We will surely have a couple of those invited to camp.

[Kam]

Again we can quibble about who we think was a better pick but the Knicks went out and got their targets

Quibble over the actual selection, but the process was impeccable ...

Kind of funny.

Remember the 2009 draft where Curry gets selected one spot before Hill.   Were you laughing then?  The process matters.  Execution matters.   Shows we aren't a joke.