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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14970 on: November 27, 2020, 10:38:02 AM »

Re:  "Only Morris was an asset"

I think Knicks could have dealt Payton and others last season in addition to Morris.  Needed to keep some salaries to use in potential sign and trades.

NBA economics is funny sometimes.  It is said Miami gave Meyers Leonard his deal so they would have something to trade next summer when seeking a top S and T free agent.

But Morris is the perfect example/  Crying on this board last year was that he was blocking Knox development and Elfrid blocking Frank.

Such folly.
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« Reply #14971 on: November 27, 2020, 10:39:21 AM »

Now, the PROPER way to look at it is in recent analysis of OKC, that in becoming a playoff type West team the value of ALL their talent went up (see the guys they dealt) for further team maneuvers.
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« Reply #14972 on: November 27, 2020, 10:56:56 AM »

New disciple for Steven Adams - and updated New Orleans depth chart

https://www.nola.com/article_f4873b62-30be-11eb-bf81-3b58abfea87d.html


Point guard: Lonzo Ball/Nickeil Alexander-Walker/Kira Lewis Jr.

Shooting guard: Eric Bledsoe/JJ Redick/Sindarius Thornwell

Small forward: Brandon Ingram/Josh Hart/Naji Marshall*

Power forward: Zion Williamson/Nicolo Melli/Wenyen Gabriel

Center: Steven Adams/Jaxson Hayes/Willy Hernangomez/Will Magnay*


Competition is for 9 and 10 slot behind those in bold
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« Reply #14973 on: November 27, 2020, 11:20:46 AM »

Playoff experience will be valuable for ATL.
They have a lot of pieces in place, time to compete and figure out the chemistry/mix.
Making what they have work is more important than getting another highish pick.
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« Reply #14974 on: November 27, 2020, 11:26:27 AM »

Exactly.

Knicks have been there before

That we never got back to a conference final - or semi - or whatever - doesn't change the rationale for having acted as we did (trying to...cough....win - imagine) .

I disagree with you big time on John Collins but that is for another day.
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« Reply #14975 on: November 27, 2020, 11:29:46 AM »

By the way - it should be pointed out that we DID NOT get screwed in dropping from 6 to 7 back to EIGHTH PICK in winning more games toward the end of the '19-'20 campaign

Very likely we take Toppin at SIX and certainly at SEVEN - only difference being that the 6 pick may have been more tradeable up or down - not in who we eventually ended up with (like with losing Curry and others)
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« Reply #14976 on: November 27, 2020, 11:39:39 AM »

Brandon Ingram got a 5/$518 max contract.
Kinda insane off of one good season.

Over his 4 year career, his 3Pt% has fluctuated:
Y1 29%
Y2 39%
Y3 33%
Y4 39%

In 3 years with LAL, Ingram shot 66% on FT's
But upped that to an impressive 85% FT with NOPe.
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« Reply #14977 on: November 27, 2020, 12:00:20 PM »

John Collins splits last year 58% FG / 40% on 3's / 80% FT
Was a 20/10 guy.
Nearly 2 blocks a game.
Every year he's increased his numbers.
Hasn't shot less than 56% FG.

Needs to work on passing and defense.
But his offensive game is elite.

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« Reply #14978 on: November 27, 2020, 12:41:50 PM »

Ingram every bit the player Tatum is
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« Reply #14979 on: November 27, 2020, 01:08:43 PM »

Ingram every bit the player Tatum is

So two or three times better than Markell Fultz or Lonzo Ball. I can agree with that.
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« Reply #14980 on: November 27, 2020, 01:50:40 PM »

The Houston Rockets are signing and trading Austin Rivers to New York, along with the international rights to Sergio Llull, Tadija Dragicevic, and Alex Hervelle, in exchange for the draft rights to combo guard Issuf Sanon. Now 21 years old, Sanon was a second-round draft pick in 2018.

While Rivers had agreed to the contract with the Knicks several days ago, the Rockets still had “early Bird” contractual rights to Rivers after his two seasons with the team. In Friday’s deal, Houston used those rights to sign Rivers to the contract (worth up to $10 million over three years) before trading the veteran guard to his desired destination.

For New York, this allowed them to avoid having to use cap space to sign Rivers. Meanwhile, Houston benefits by recouping minor assets for a player who otherwise would’ve left for no compensation.

The Rockets will also generate a small traded player exception (TPE) in the deal, which can be used until an equivalent point in the 2021 NBA offseason. TPEs allow NBA teams to take in a player of that salary or lower via trade, even if they are above the salary cap (which the Rockets are). It can also be used to facilitate waiver claims at that amount or less.

The TPE from the Rivers trade is likely to be worth just under $2.2 million, according to salary cap expert David Weiner of ClutchFans.

The value of the TPE, though, is in the same ballpark as the NBA’s minimum salary — which makes it fairly inconsequential. The larger prize is Sanon, a 6-foot-4 Ukrainian guard from who was drafted No. 44 overall in 2018. Here’s his scouting report by Sports Illustrated‘s Jeremy Woo:

“Sanon is an attractive stash candidate who seems likely to earn an NBA opportunity in due time,” writes Woo, who compared Sanon to Jordan Crawford. “Scouts love his hard-nosed approach to the game.”

Sanon’s strengths, according to Woo’s 2018 draft report, are athleticism, transition play, and defensive effort. Meanwhile, weaknesses include an inconsistent 3-point shot and playmaking as a point guard.

Sanon played in the NBA Summer League in 2018 and 2019, which would appear to signal some interest on his part in eventually coming to the NBA. (There was no summer league in 2020, owing to COVID-19.)

As for the draft rights headed to New York, Llull is now 33 years old and appears unwilling to leave Spain for the NBA. The Rockets had held his rights since 2009. Dragicevic and Hervelle are 34 and 37, respectively, so it’s even less likely for either of those two to make the leap than it is for Llull. Both power forwards are currently playing in Europe.

Sanon, however, has plenty of time still left to make a move. That makes him (and the TPE) a worthwhile acquisition for Rockets GM Rafael Stone, given that Rivers was already poised to leave, no matter what.
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And Where Did Issuf Sanon Come From?
« Reply #14981 on: November 27, 2020, 01:52:01 PM »

The NBA trade deadline passed Thursday afternoon with multiple players having been moved around the league. This includes Marcus Morris Sr., who found himself a new home in California through a three-team trade between the New York Knicks, Los Angeles Clippers, and Washington Wizards. In return, the Knicks received Moe Harkless, a 2020 first-round pick (via the Clippers), a 2021 second-round pick (via the Pistons), and a 2021 first-round pick swap (with the Clippers).

The Knicks also received the draft rights to Issuf Sanon.

Issuf is a Ukrainian guard who the Washington Wizards selected with the No. 44 pick in the 2018 NBA Draft. He played with KK Petrol Olimpija prior to entering the draft.
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« Reply #14982 on: November 27, 2020, 02:51:11 PM »

Cool.  Didnt know this about the cap space.
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« Reply #14983 on: November 27, 2020, 03:16:11 PM »

And as is usually the case when the Celtics don’t turn a highly publicized rumor into a reality, we’re getting a reason why that deal never went through. According to ESPN’s Zach Lowe, the Celtics were never really that high on Turner. Boston apparently didn’t see him as a very big upgrade to their frontcourt, and was even exploring other deals to trade Turner had the deal with Indiana come to fruition. “Talking to people and reading the tea leaves as best I could, it really comes down to the Celtics didn’t want Myles Turner,” Lowe said on The Lowe Post Podcast. “I did hear from some teams around the league that the Celtics have done some preliminary research on what Myles Turner’s trade value would have been to them had they acquired him either in this deal or in a separate deal, and obviously didn’t like what they saw.” – via CBS Boston @ CBS Local

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« Reply #14984 on: November 27, 2020, 04:47:52 PM »

How did Myles Powell end up with the Knix, he actually has pro-level talent? Another race for the first draft choice.
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