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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[bankshot1]

And any thought that Celtics would not be a BEAST with Harden replacing Walker is ridiculous.

Come on, man - that's your EAST CHAMP the next three years.

HEH

you changed the trade parameters.

If I could get Harden for Walker, I'd throw in a pick or two and take my chances.

But that's not what the trade rumors are.

Reportedly it was Jaylen PLUS Smart PLUS picks.

HARD PASS ON REALITY

I mentioned Kemba to remind you of the Celtics position

But Kemba for Harden sure, that solves one problem, but I'd be exchanging injury risk for chemistry risk.

My fear is Harden could fuck-up the Js and team mojo.

I simply do not like his style of play and the fit wih the Celts and how they seem to mismatch.

offense and defense.

its not worth it to me,

kid-We view hoops differently, you approach it as fantasy sport with fantasy scoring.

Its a game I'm not familiar with.

FYI the market for Harden seem soft so maybe some lucky team gets a great deal for a 2 year Harden headache.

[kidcarter8]

Knicks PER leaders

Barrett - 28.3
Burks   23.1
Quickley - 17.4

Then it declines to Mitch at 12.0

Frank is a -4.1

Knox?  2.3
Payton?  0.6

Will update each game.

1   RJ Barrett   20   1   34   28.3   .819   .200   .133   0.0   25.1   12.5   30.1   0.0   0.0   5.9   21.4      0.2   0.0   0.2   .267               
2   Alec Burks   29   1   32   23.1   .689   .333   .750   0.0   13.3   6.7   15.0   1.4   2.5   5.9   22.9      0.1   0.0   0.1   .220               
3   Immanuel Quickley   21   1   12   17.4   .579   .333   1.000   0.0   8.9   4.4   11.4   3.8   0.0   0.0   15.6      0.0   0.0   0.0   .153               
4   Mitchell Robinson   22   1   21   12.0   .521   .000   1.000   10.2   20.3   15.2   0.0   0.0   11.4   0.0   5.9      0.0   0.0   0.0   .110               
5   Julius Randle   26   1   35   11.2   .507   .133   .267   3.0   24.4   13.7   42.0   0.0   0.0   23.0   26.9      0.0   0.0   0.0   -0.038               
6   Reggie Bullock   29   1   26   10.7   .550   .800   .000   0.0   4.1   2.1   11.7   1.7   0.0   0.0   16.6      0.0   0.0   0.0   .041               
7   Nerlens Noel   26   1   9   8.1   .500   .000   .000   11.9   23.7   17.8   15.8   5.0   8.9   50.0   19.2      0.0   0.0   0.0   -0.080               
8   Obi Toppin   22   1   24   6.2   .375   .583   .000   0.0   13.3   6.7   6.1   0.0   6.7   0.0   21.6      -0.1   0.0   -0.1   -0.124               
9   Kevin Knox   21   1   18   2.3   .368   .200   .200   0.0   17.8   8.9   0.0   5.0   4.4   26.9   17.9      -0.1   0.0   -0.1   -0.167               
10   Elfrid Payton   26   1   22   0.6   .500   .143   .000   4.8   4.8   4.8   20.2   2.1   0.0   41.7   23.6      -0.1   0.0   -0.1   -0.218               
11   Theo Pinson   25   1   1   0.0            0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0      0.0      0.0   0.0   0.0   -0.022               
12   Frank Ntilikina   22   1   5   -4.1   .174   .500   1.000   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   9.1   0.0   0.0   24.9      0.0   0.0   0

[kidcarter8]

you changed the trade parameters

I didnt

CHIPSTERN said the deal was to trade Brown or Smart (he didnt like it for Celts), not me

If I could get Harden for Walker, I'd throw in a pick or two and take my chances.


attaboy

[bodiddley]

The Knix have $18.5M cap space.  Some combo of that plus vet salaries could facilitate a Harden to Celts deal and get Kemba for NYK.
Randle & Franc and $10M cap space matches Kemba's salary.
Plus Celts can dip into their trade exception if needed.
Uh, how hobbled is Kemba?

Say Randle, Franc and Smart and a pick to HOU
Kemba and a BOS Williams to NYK
Harden to BOS

BOS would have Teague - Harden - Jaylen - Tatum - Tristan
Celts aren't terribly deep.  A 3-for-1 deal would really thin them out.
(maybe they could get Franc)

Anyway the money works pretty closely.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72yxjha

For the Knix, give up Randle and Franc for Kemba and Robert Williams (I'd probably prefer Grant, but Celts already have 2 C's).  Knix get starting quality PG and a big bouncy yute.  Opens minutes for ObiT and Knox.  Kemba organizes our team when his knee cooperates -- Knix have Elf and Quickly to fill in.  What's not to like?

[kidcarter8]

Interesting, Bo - thanks

Celts fans say no because of Smart

Knicks fans dont like the (as you say) hobbled Kemba - though Thibs gets his "star".

Like that you threw in Williams.  The picks would tell the tale as far as HOU biting.

[bankshot1]

you changed the trade parameters

I didnt

CHIPSTERN said trade Brown or Smart, not me

If I could get Harden for Walker, I'd throw in a pick or two and take my chances.



attaboy

I keep on forgetting your fantasies go beyond sports predictions, as you seem to beleive your Elba's "MELVIN"

HEH

Yes Melvin you changed the parameters and backed away from the market reality of what Houston wants for Harden (Jaylen, + Smart ++++) and only suggested Walker, when I brought you back to reality.

And mentioned a 3rd team might be required to deal with Kemba.

Chip as best as I can tell understood the trade reality.

Now be a nice boy MELVIN and go play in the corner with the toys Santa brought.

[bodiddley]

My trade could be tweaked somewhat.

If Kemba is fairly healthy, maybe Knix toss in a DAL pick.
BOS has a lot of picks I think.

Maybe Franc to BOS.
Bullox could be tossed in.  Jr. Smith too if anybody wanted him.

I'm not really good at assessing pick value and what kind of picks should be included in a trade.  But they can always balance/sweeten a deal.  Maybe a BOS pick to HOU, maybe also a DAL pick (from NYK)

HOU: Wall - Smart - Gordon - Randle - PJ Tucker
Franc - Wood - DMC off the bench

[kidcarter8]

Yes Melvin you changed the parameters and backed away from the market reality of what Houston wants for Harden (Jaylen, + Smart ++++) and only suggested Walker, when I brought you back to reality.


I am not responsible for every Tom Dick and Bank on the internet.

My only proposal was with Walker - forgive me for creativity.  I was with Chip all the way (in thought - may not have posted) regarding Brown and of course Tatum being off limits (as of now I'd be unsure of Smart but figure BOS would give him up - just didnt like that his contract wasnt so high to offset)

I thought this discussion would come down to how many picks it would take but Bank preferred being a total prick.  His basic mode.

[kidcarter8]

If Kemba is fairly healthy, maybe Knix toss in a DAL pick.
BOS has a lot of picks I think

I will give Bank this - he can probably give us more on Walker's health.

My thinking is you arent out of the woods with him unless he comes back, plays for months long stretches and through playoffs as well.  Anything before that isa  complete roll of the dice, which is why I dont really even factor in his contributing for the Rockets,

[kidcarter8]

Speaking of the Celtics, their fans got a nice glimpse yesterday of what they could hope Tatum ever would become - especially if they see him as lead dog - in KEVIN DURANT.

Kind of cool actually to project their matchups for the next three seasons.  Dog paddling for Jayson to start,

[bankshot1]

Yes Melvin you changed the parameters and backed away from the market reality of what Houston wants for Harden (Jaylen, + Smart ++++) and only suggested Walker, when I brought you back to reality.



My only proposal was with Walker - forgive me for creativity.

I thought this discussion would come down to how many picks it would take but Bank preferred being a total prick.  His basic mode.

Creativity?

Melvin you weren't aware of the Kemba conundrum until it was pointed out to you.

And that a 3rd team might be needed to do a Harden to Celtics swap  because of kemba.

and your creativity was a Kemba for Harden trade?

TFF

And Chip basically repeated my concerns about a Harden-C's trade.

Celts will surely have it on their agenda.

Talk is cheap. And Ainge can get a read on teams. So talk.

But the rumored packages I seen (Brown, Smart, draft picks) are IMO huge overpays for 2 years of headache Harden. He's not a good fit. I don't want him.

Nor is it up to Ainge to bust up his young team to solve Houston's problems, unless there's a really big discount, or I can move Kemba in the deal.

I can't see the Celt's having a real interest in Harden on terms as rumored so far.

But I'm glad you channeled your silent agreement.

While at the same time pushing for a trade that won't happen.

HEH

Melvin you're a funny guy.

[Kam]

Gonzaga #1 ranked NCAAM team.
Game today at 4pm eastern on CBS

[kidcarter8]

Thanks Kam

[kidcarter8]

KISPERT over Suggs

[kidcarter8]

Gonna try to check out EDWARDS tonight on the free NBA League Pass.  Maybe Cole as well.