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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

The night sessions pay off yet again.

We are starting to look like we might become a professional basketball team that approaches basketball with palpable professionalism. That would be so nice.

Atlanta is on deck. It would be really nice to have Alec and Frank Available.

RJ, Randle, Payton, Mitch, Rivers, and Quickley were all excellent tonight. Reggie, Knox, Noel all pitched in some key moments.

Good game to build from.

[carlos123]

I'm revising my win prediction to 30 wins.

What a game!

Too late for revising. I'm stuck at 20!

I mean, it ain't my casino, but "rien ne va plus" already!

GREAT WIN!!!

[kidcarter8]

It appears the ZIGGY was placed on the Hawks.

[lesterluv]

With all the hooplah - and a win over Bucks, Knicks win pace if they lose in Indiana will be




24

They didn't.  Win pace 36.
The four pom-poMers looking SMART.

[facilitatorn]

Given full health, I think our roster shakes out like this

Starters: Mitch Randle Barrett Burks Payton

Bench vets: Noel Bullock Rivers

Bench yute: Obi Knox Frank Quickley

Unready: Spellman Iggy DSJ

We need to cut bait on either Harper or Pinson to make a 2way slot for Skal. We have Zero margin in our frontcourt.

That is our biggest weakness right now.

[chipstern]

We hired Kenny Atkinson? 

COUGH

The Knicks best free agent signing was TOM THIBODEAU.  Do you feel me, BoD. 

The manner in which the Knicks were prepared to respond to a second half whup ass by the Pacers on opening night, and to neutralize Sabonis, and to dominate the FINAL THREE MINUTES of the fourth quarter are all marks of a TOP TIER COACH, both in his prep, and in his in game reponses. 

Facil?

Why make ANY moves right now. 

Get everyone healthy, and ramp up the levels of competition up and dopwn the roster.  That approach appears to be....WORKING. 

Harper and Pinson are of course, slated for Westchester in the G League. 

Skal Labissière? 

He was SIGNED to be RELEASED.  To be Re-UPPED.  He is on an EXHIBIT 10 Contract, which reserves the Knicks NBAGL rights.  Sort of like what they did with Bryce Brown. 

He is slotted for the G League once that hits. 

Also, you are dismissing PF-C Omari Spellman based on what....exactly? 

All of our veteran FA signings/trade additions to the 2020-2021 roster--Noels [26], Burks [29] and Rivers [28], Bullock [29] and Payton [26]--are progressing nicely, and offering a significant level of competition with the pups.  Omari Spellman [23] is more of a puppy, in terms of age and experience. You are dismissing Spellman before he has had an opportunity to come back from injury and get into game shape?  He was a .391% three point shooter for the Warriors. One might grant the Knicks brass and coaching staff some leeway vis a vis developing talent, puppy and veteran alike.  Their decisions are looking pretty good right about now. 

DECISIONS. 

The premise, floated with some consistency by BoD, is that drafting Obi is a redundancy with Randle on board. 

Uh, I believe Julius's reponse to COMPETITION has been solid...oh wait, that's right, they are both lousy defensive players. 

Julius won the game tonight with a clutch defensive steal, full court sprint and slam, not to mention, keeping Sabonis from going off, when he torched is in the season opener.  Likewise, the presumption that Randle and Toppin is an either or?  Again, TALENT IS TALENT, and if Obi's footsteps have elevated Randle's game to its present level, well, nicely played, Leon Rose. 

I mean, Elfrid Payton is manning up big time and playing like a vet possessed.  Footsteps are causing him to elevate his game.  He was a force tonight on both sides of the ball, save for that one Frank Ntilikina telegraph pass.  Elfrid played winning basketball, and his clutch ball save and pass to Mitchell was key in the final minutes. 

FINALLY: The Quickley/Rivers back court made me giddy.  They were very effective individually and as a tandem.  Both made a strong case for regular rotation minutes as they leap frogged over healing Frank and Dennis. 

I WOULD EXPECT THE KNICKS TO WAIT LIKE 20-25 GAMES IN TO POSSESS AN ACCURATE SAMPLING OF WHAT WE HAVE GOT, AND ANY MOVES WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE, WITH AN EYE TOWARDS THE ROSTER OR FUTURE ASSETS. 

Thibs ain't writing anyone off, and everyone is motivated to make a case for consideration.   

Tonight's win left me delirious, and I was totally taken by Austin Rivers fire and leadership, backing up his INSTAGRAM PEP TALKS TO NYC FANS, and Thibs getting everyone to buy in. 

WE ARE PLAYING FUCKING DEFENSE.  Can you imagine that? 

PPS:  Why in the name of LesterDawg's Left Nut and BoD's Abacus, did the Bucks let Malcolm Brogdon not match his offer with the Pacers.  I believe they copped Indiana's 2020 #1 (and a couple of second rounders), which I believe they used to select RJ Hampton at #24 before the Knicks tapped IQ at #25, and they promptly traded offladed Hampton to Denver as part of some convoluted 4 team trade.  I TAKE IT THEY DID NOT WANT TO PAY THE LUXURY TAX ON 4 YEARS X 85 MILLION,  but they were willing to give BB damn near that amount, and if they want to reup JRUE HOLIDAY this summer, it will cost them at least that much for an older player.  Every time Brogdon touched the ball tonight, I winced in pain.  Having Brogdon AND Middleton?  How the fuck could anyone cover The Greek Freak with those snipers spreading the floor.  Penny Wise And Pound Foolish. 

[kidcarter8]

Sure, I will play

Spellman is FAT

How Atkinson would have the current Knicks seated had he been hired is an unknown

And the Hampton pick GOT Milwaukee Jrue.

Unless you want to put forth a scenario that says Bucks win it all last year with Brogdon and minus what they bought in his stead or that they had a better chance to win this year with Brogdon over Jrue, I think that rant is rubbish

Jrue re-upping is a pretty good bet

[kidcarter8]

July 11, 2019
Signed Khris Middleton as a free agent.


Hmmmmm

Just after the Brogdon deal

[facilitatorn]

Brogdon is pretty darned good. He has benefited by having talent around him his whole career though he deserves credit for helping those other guys shine.

Spellman is 6’8”, Skal is 6’10”. Spellman is a little better from 3 but much worse from two and doesn’t provide the same rim protection. I’m not giving up on Spellman, I’d just like Skal to be available for 50 games this season. He’s a skilled guy who has produced and has size on Obi and Noel. We have some guys you call frontcourt players, power forwards and centers, but only Mitch qualifies as big. Of the options at hand Skal comes pretty close.

Is there a single guard on our roster you’d play Harper ahead of?

Is there a single wing you’d take off the floor for Pinson?

I’d actually go farther and dump Smith Jr. for either O’Quinn or Dedmon to add backbone to our backbone in this uncertain season.

Noah Vonleh might also be available. I’m not sure any of these guys are demonstratively better than Skal right now, which is why I focused on the GLeague shuffle, giving us a look at a familiar big without having to shake the main roster.

[kidcarter8]

I like our C rotation now as long as all 3 are healthy, Randle being the third

Knicks actually played Bullock a couple minutes at the 4 last night, of course able to do so because of what opposition had out there

[chipstern]

Brogdon is pretty darned good. He has benefited by having talent around him his whole career though he deserves credit for helping those other guys shine.

Spellman is 6’8”, Skal is 6’10”. Spellman is a little better from 3 but much worse from two and doesn’t provide the same rim protection. I’m not giving up on Spellman, I’d just like Skal to be available for 50 games this season. He’s a skilled guy who has produced and has size on Obi and Noel. We have some guys you call frontcourt players, power forwards and centers, but only Mitch qualifies as big. Of the options at hand Skal comes pretty close.

Is there a single guard on our roster you’d play Harper ahead of?

Is there a single wing you’d take off the floor for Pinson?

I’d actually go farther and dump Smith Jr. for either O’Quinn or Dedmon to add backbone to our backbone in this uncertain season.

Noah Vonleh might also be available. I’m not sure any of these guys are demonstratively better than Skal right now, which is why I focused on the GLeague shuffle, giving us a look at a familiar big without having to shake the main roster.

Noah Vonleh?

Now THAT'S funny. 

Hey, why not Luke Kornet? 

And you are going to dump Dennis Smith for Skal. 

Think maybe it might be in our interests to try and build up Smith's value, if we are going to try and offload him?  But dump him for a third string center? 

[chipstern]

Gee, for a lousy defender, Julius sure slammed the breaks on Sabonis last night. 

[chipstern]

Julius Randle is the first player in @nyknicks history to average at least 20 PPG, 10 RPG, and 5 APG through the first six games of a season.

[kidcarter8]

Randle is working

But he always has

Better bod this year, stamina - maturity

You have to project guys with his ability for small to moderate gains.  That wasnt done on this forum.

Julius WAS frustrating a year ago - but you really need to look at total body of work prior when projecting out a contract.  His late time in LA and year in NO were beautiful.

[kidcarter8]

Meanwhile if Burks gets back healthy we could have 2 of the free agents steals of the year, Alec and Austin Rivers.  With Randle now looking like a GOOD signing a year back - and by alla ccounts that Morris was, could Knicks be moving along wisely....?

Of course THE DRAFT, THE DRAFT, THE DRAFT!!!!!!  Come on - let us get a break and have Toppin pop.