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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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Re: One third of the season done
« Reply #16905 on: February 07, 2021, 09:33:32 AM »

Knicks are on pace to go 33-39

Fun fact:  No Knick has ever worn the #39

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33-39

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16906 on: February 07, 2021, 11:35:42 AM »

Quickly played 13 minutes today.

How is Rose helpful to the Knicks?

I don't get it.

I tend to agree.  Unless he is dealt for Elfrid Payton straight up.  I could deal with that move.  Anything else seems dicey.

Ah, but see Payton has a no-trade clause! So that scenario is even more unlikely — he would have to want to go to Detroit.
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Don't Sleep On The Heat/Rose Colored Glasses
« Reply #16907 on: February 07, 2021, 11:53:02 AM »

Cannot quite fathom why The Knicks are 7th in the East, and the Heat are 14th. 

11-13

8-14

Here's an interesting stat.

Julius is shooting .400% from three [38-95]

Tyler Herro is at .333% [29-87]

What the actual fuck?

Of course Duncan Robinson is at .404% [74-183]

While our wings?

BoD's journeyman Alec Burks is at .443% [27-61]

French Frank .556% [5-9]

Bullock .349% [29-83]

Rivers .378% [28-74]

Knox .391% [25-64]

With Bam, Butler, Bradley, Robinson, Dragic, DO NOT SLEEP ON THE HEAT. 

As for The Thorn Of The Rose?

I have read a number of scenarios, as well as gob smacked Knicks fans going what the fuck?

And of course, the impact on Quickley, let alone Payton. 

It is hard for me to see a Rose deal materializing in a vacuumn, unless the Knicks have some other potential deals afoot, in which they are dangling the likes of Smith, Ntilikina, Rivers, Payton, Knox, Bullocks, Brazdeikis and some of our stock of #2 picks. 

If I were to transmogrify into Trader Facil, in some idealized Alternare Universe, I would offer the Pistons Dennis Smith, and our two #2 picks, one of which is Detroit's own, trending towards the first pick of the second round, and Charlotte's pick. 

More likely, the Pistons would hold out for French Frank and/or Knox, in which case, I would not proffer Detroit's #2 as an inducement.  Too valuable, but for taking Dennis off our hands?  Hey. 

Rose has been pretty consistent these past three years and this season?

15 games
22.8 minutes
14.2 ppg [.429%/.333%]
4.2 ass
1.9 reb
1.2 steals

Again, in order not to supplant Quickley's minutes, either Rivers or Payton would have to wave bye bye or play less minutes.  I think Rose's game and his experience would offer a good mentorship to High IQ, but would cut into his minutes, a la Randle V. Toppin. 

I think Thibs is projecting a playoff push, and Rose would surely provide Thibs with a comfort level, a la Gibson, but his game is pretty similar to Payton's, so unless there are other deals afoot where Rivers and/or Payton are out of here, and we can somehow purloin a shooter like Reddick, I'm not seeing it.

Also, shoot me, but I'd rather not give up on Frank [cue laugh track].

Again, as of this moment, I discern much smoke, but no fire, though given the moves we have seen from Perry & Perrin Inc, something is surely afoot, as it dawns on Knicks management, that HEY, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, we are not competing for the LOTTERY, but for the PLAYOFFS. Still, a move JUST FOR ROSE, without snatching a 3 point sniper, or purloining Bo's 3&D dream date?

If nothing else, talk of a Rose trade would certainly motivate Payton, Quickley, Rivers, Ntilikina and Smith.  Theo Pinson is already motivated, having been annionted this roster's M.L. Carr by Leon Rose. 
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Julius Randle V Anthony Davis
« Reply #16908 on: February 07, 2021, 12:54:55 PM »

Julius Randle

24 games
36.8 minutes
22.6 ppg [.497%/.400%]
.803% FT
38-95 Trey
10.9 rebounds
5.9 assists
0.8 steals
0.2 blocks

Anthony Davis

21 Games
33.6 minutes
22.3 ppg [.517%/.315%]
.702% FT
17-54 Trey
8.6 rebounds
3.2 assists
1.4 steals
1.9 blocks

Am I saying JR is better than AD?

NO.

But Julius has most certainly inserted himself into any discussion of the best PFs in the NBA. 

The specter of Kristaps Porzingis diminishes in my mind's eye. Thoughts & Prayers. 

PS: AD will be 28 in March.  Julius is 26. KP is 25. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16909 on: February 07, 2021, 01:15:36 PM »

Quickly played 13 minutes today.

How is Rose helpful to the Knicks?

I don't get it.

I tend to agree.  Unless he is dealt for Elfrid Payton straight up.  I could deal with that move.  Anything else seems dicey.

I am quite sure that isnt happening

BUTLER on display today.  Should have a big game.  Who will match it for Knicks?  Maybe nobody and we still win?  That will be a great sign.
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A rose is a rose is a thorn
« Reply #16910 on: February 07, 2021, 01:16:02 PM »

Moving for D. Rose is exactly the kind of regressive move I was fearing from Rosethibs. Hope it doesn’t happen. Unlike Chip, I don’t think these rumors are motivating Payton or IQ. More in the demoralizing category.

PS. KP is too f’in fragile. Good luck to him, but I’d much rather have Julius.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16911 on: February 07, 2021, 01:39:23 PM »

I still can't find justification for the Rose move — or rather, I don't find the arguments persuasive.

I think the vet/youth thing can be overstated. Quickley, for instance, has already shown he's a clutch ball player. How fucking rare is that? How many guys on our team can you say that about?

His instincts are strong. Not everyone has to be brought along slowly.
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Rose & Thibs
« Reply #16912 on: February 07, 2021, 02:20:58 PM »

Dollars To Doughnuts, THIBS Is The Impetus Behind Any Rose Trade. 

Casey Stengel, when once asked what the secret of his success, opined, that "I never play without my man," by which he meant YOGI BERRA, whether at catcher, first base or left field. 

Thibs is most def developing youth. 

Robinson, Barrett, Quickley....RANDLE

But he likes his vets.

Payton, Rivers, Bullock, Burks. 

Again, one has to think there is more than one deal on the back burner. 

If I were to transmogrify into Trader Facil, in some idealized Alternare Universe, I would offer the Pistons Dennis Smith, and our two #2 picks, one of which is Detroit's own, trending towards the first pick of the second round, and Charlotte's pick.


Alan Hahn just posted on FACEBOOK, that according to the Athletic, this is precisely what is going down. 

Dennis Smith and draft compensation for Derrick Rose.  A fair bet that no #1 picks are going bye bye.

So Detroit getting back their #2 which we aquired from the Morris trade.  Maybe Charlotte's #2 or one of the future #2 picks we have stockpiled. 

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16913 on: February 07, 2021, 02:39:10 PM »

A small thing, but Mitch has got to work on his jump balls. He's lost two — the last one to Butler — resulting in 5 quick points.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16914 on: February 07, 2021, 02:43:50 PM »

Happy to be wrong about Butler - though Knicks still trailing
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16915 on: February 07, 2021, 03:13:37 PM »

Finally! Rivers is taken out!

When he's not draining 3's or penetrating — and he hasn't done either for awhile — it's a mystery why he's in there so much. Wouldn't Frank be better on the floor? Free the French man!
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16916 on: February 07, 2021, 03:14:29 PM »

Are we back to the Quickley finish for today?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16917 on: February 07, 2021, 03:17:59 PM »

Combined points

1st half - 119

2nd - 83

(1:38 left)
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16918 on: February 07, 2021, 03:25:25 PM »

HEAT can now pass Knicks in loss column if they win the next contest (second of back to back)

Hornets winning - and creeping up.  Knicks had the right idea seeking LaMelo.
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Re: One third of the season done
« Reply #16919 on: February 07, 2021, 03:36:48 PM »

Knicks are on pace to go 33-39

Fun fact:  No Knick has ever worn the #39

Just for the record.

Chip's Call, Made Under Duress

33-39

Just for the record, Dawg and Chip looking PRESCIENT with Facilitatorn barking at our heels.

After this matinee, Dawg and Chip looking a bit optimistic.

Our frontcourt looked good against Miami’s, but only two of our perimeter guys were up for this kind  of game, Burks & Bullock.

Replacing Rivers with Rose in our rotation would make us more or less a lock as a low seed playoff team.

Hope we pass. I want playin and ping-pong instead. And Rose, like Frank and Payton, hits the market as a UFA next season.

Obi is making strides. I like him on the baseline against the zone.
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