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« Reply #18225 on: April 17, 2021, 06:45:18 PM »
Thank god we got Dennis Smith Jr in the KZ trade, or we never would have been able to get Rose ...

The point is that we got nada for trading KZ except cap space, when we could have gotten cap space and a solid player (starter or rotation piece). It would have been pretty dicey giving a max contract to an injured player, which devolved into an injured player who didn't want to be here.  But KZ was still an asset and had suitors, and we traded that asset for junkola.

Trading KZ has mostly worked out well, but the actual trade for KZ was poorly executed.  We could have been a step further along.  DAL has to hope KZ gets rolling by playoff time, or they have to start getting nervous about their investment.  KZ has shown flashes of brilliance on both ends.  But more often has been a step slow on defense and not that impactful on O. 

There was a short stretch where Doncic was setting up KZ in the 2-man game and KZ was killing it,  DAl has tried posting KZ on smaller guys. or KZ shooting deep 3's all game.  They don't seem to find a balance.  Very up and down season for KZ.  I thought post-AS he would be healthy and in form.

The KZ trade was rather high-risk stuff for both NYK and DAL.
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« Reply #18226 on: April 17, 2021, 06:53:22 PM »
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« Reply #18227 on: April 17, 2021, 06:56:57 PM »
And again, even without injury we could get the Harden Syndrome, wherein a terrific regular season is squandered when your best player is worn down for the playoffs.


Last three years Harden's playoff numbers werent too much down from reg. season.

About 30-7-4 from 32-8-5
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« Reply #18228 on: April 17, 2021, 07:08:57 PM »
Porzingis deal could be netting us a guy like Jared Butler, who some of us saw in the NCAA playing for champions BAYLOR.

IF we dont use that pick to move up from where WE select in round 1.

Bo discounts this.  Funny.
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« Reply #18229 on: April 17, 2021, 07:21:13 PM »
Bo has also managed the impossible - getting me to defend KP

Diddley says KP has to get it going soon for Dallas

Well, over his last 5, Porzingis is

47-93
13-32
17-17

24.8/12.4/1.4/1.4


Overall -

21 15+ game scores (see BB Reference) in 36 appearances, including last 5 and 10 of last 11

Rivalling Randle.
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« Reply #18230 on: April 18, 2021, 12:12:19 AM »
2-3 in the last 5 games.
Last 6 games, KZ's two weakest games were the two against the Knix that I've seen.  And while KZ's stats were fine in the last game, I described his effort as low impact.  Certainly didn't get anything going 4Q.  KZ needs to impact winning.
He needs to be able to take over stretches.  Max contract; 2nd star, etc. 

I've seen some Mavs here and there and seems KZ has one strong game and one blah game.  Settles for long 3's too much.  After Luka, seems Tim Jr and Josh Rich determine wining more than KZ.  Or at leats for much of this seaosn.  I'll try to catch more DAL.  I like RichJosh, Brunson and KZ.  And Luka is weirdly crazy and fun.  Just hasn't seemed like KZ is well integrated into the Mavs.  Then again Josh Rich is all up and down as well.  It's an interesting team, adding up to less than its potential.  The whole team needs to become more integrated and coordinated.  Their offense was great last year, they swapped Scurry 2.0 for JoshRich to get more defense/balance.  Been an inconsistent team on both ends this year.

I've seen them go this year from Luka-KZ 2-man game, to post-up KZ to long-ball KZ.  Not sure why they can't integrate all those aspects into every game.
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« Reply #18231 on: April 18, 2021, 01:07:37 AM »
Quote from: BoZizzley on April 18, 2021, 12:12:19 AM
I've seen them go this year from Luka-KZ 2-man game, to post-up KZ to long-ball KZ.  Not sure why they can't integrate all those aspects into every game.

Maybe because KP is a hard-to-coach, prone-to-missing-games prima Donna who can’t really hit the high notes.
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« Reply #18232 on: April 18, 2021, 01:45:43 AM »
Watched much of the 2nd half of SAS-PHX game.
Spurs started a frontcourt of Drew Eubanks-Luka Samanic-Keldon Johnson.
And proceeded to rout the cold Suns
Eubanks didn't miss a shot in a 13 & 13 effort.
Samanic didn't make a shot.

Vassell had a career game off the bench, looking quite smooth.  Sometimes easy to look good in a blowout, but 18 points, 4-6 on 3's, 2 blocks in 25 mins.  And played pretty solid D on Booker a few times.  Looked smooth getting his midrange shots off (2-3).First time I've seen him more than just spot minutes. 
39% on 3's for the season; but just 39% FG overall.  With half his shots 3's.

Lived up to his 3&D rep this game.
Too bad Vassell is a somewhat slight 6'5".  Cause I don't think he has any PG chops and he probably can't match up with bigger SF's.  I'd like to see if he can guard PG's.
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« Reply #18233 on: April 18, 2021, 01:50:32 AM »
Kleber also has had an up and down year.
Just seems DAL hasn't cohered or found an identity this year.

I'm wondering if maybe Luka has some of the other Harden-Westbrook Syndrome -- despite brilliant individual effort, both scoring and passing, maybe its hard to play with a ball dominant guy who freelances so much.  Just a theory.

Could be just the weird year, along with CV and injuries.
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« Reply #18234 on: April 18, 2021, 01:16:30 PM »
Catching the first half.  KZ having a rough time.  5 mins left in the 2Q: KZ 1-8 FG = 3 Pts + 4 Boards.  Team down 8.

Then KZ gets fouled on an alley oop attempt, but the refs didn't see the contact.
This annoys KZ, so suddenly he starts playing hard. 
Crashes the O-Boards and almost gets a putback with the foul.  Blocks an Elf layup attempt.  Cuts down the lane for an easy layup.  Defends a rim attack.  Then posts up for an easy score.  Where was this level of energy/interest earlier?   A good sequence or two but need to focus all game.

KZ looked great for a 2 minute outburst on both ends and the lead is cut to 2.
Then makes a good contest on Randle and bombs in a long 3.  So real nice sequence from KZ, doing it all and having a big impact at the end of the half.

Time for a new Knick game,  1:PM start,
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« Reply #18235 on: April 18, 2021, 05:23:18 PM »
saw the 4Q and OT today- Nice win for you guys
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« Reply #18236 on: April 18, 2021, 05:24:57 PM »
But the minutes....
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« Reply #18237 on: April 18, 2021, 06:11:48 PM »
OT games are like cheat days on your diet.

We know Zo Ball will want to come here on the if you can’t beat em, join em principle, but the question is would we want a guy so ineffective against a team as good as we are?

Maybe, but probably not.

That Brunson kid sounds nice. Kind of a legacy player for what it’s worth. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18238 on: April 18, 2021, 06:18:15 PM »
Well, I don't get to see Ball much. I know he's good, young, exceptional playmaker, etc.

But right now is he better than D Rose?

And would he be a better point guard than Rose next year?

Just asking.....

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« Reply #18239 on: April 18, 2021, 07:49:31 PM »
Nice challenge for D Rose - lets just sat that - if Leon chooses Derrick as the starter next year - to be the equal to the '21-'22 L Ball.
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