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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20340 on: September 09, 2021, 07:18:46 AM »

When I entered the transaction in the REAL GM Trade Checker it was rejected, and December 15 was listed.

Perhaps the sign and trade aspect of Mark coming to the Cavs is the difference. 

NBA rules are complicated.
Was Markkanen a Free Agent?  As far as I can tell FA signees cannot be re-traded until Dec 15 or 3 months after the original signing, whichever is later (so usually the Dec 15 date for off-season signings).  3 months for any FA signed after Sept 15 period.

Otherwise, players can be re-traded as part of a package deal 60 days after the initial signing.  Which is I believe where Oct 27 comes into play for Markk.

Obviously, Oct 27 is workable for PHI, while Dec 15 is a headache.  Though Harden farted around in HOU for a couple months.


Simmons to CLE for Sexton + Markk + Osman

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I don't think Cavs give up that package.

I think CLE would give up Sexton & Markk for Simmons.  Osman a useful player but his salary would be needed for ballast, unless a 3rd team was added into the mix.
I'd kind of hate to give up both Markk and Osman, but do you not add a star such as Simmons simply because of Osman?
Maybe include Os and PHI could toss in perhaps Korkmaz or Niang.
Or a 3rd team could be engaged to make the money work.

I think the key issue is whether PHI wants Sextant and is willing to pay him a bundle real soon.  It's not is Sexton sexy enough, but can he get you to a title.

If PHI gets desperate enough and/or doesn't want Sexton, CLE can counter with Garland and Love, which was purportedly an opening offer.  I haven't really liked Garland or Sexton, but also barely saw them play last year.  And the few times I did, seemed one of them was always out.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20341 on: September 09, 2021, 09:02:17 AM »

 Markaanen was a sign and trade.  So no, not a free agent signing.
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« Reply #20342 on: September 09, 2021, 11:22:07 AM »

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« Reply #20343 on: September 09, 2021, 07:01:05 PM »

Okafor released from Brooklyn. Too slow I guess.
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« Reply #20344 on: September 09, 2021, 07:12:25 PM »

As far as I understand, a recently traded player can be re-traded in a package deal after 60 days.  With no time restriction on a 1-for-1 straight up deal.  A FA signee can't be traded til Dec 15 (or 3 months from the initial signing, if signed after Sept 15).

I also didn't realize that a sign-and-trade had to be for 3 years or longer with the first year fully guaranteed.

In any case, there are going to be plenty of upcoming Simmons trade rumors.
And likely a trade. 

Searching for the CLE trade article, I spotted a vague GS rumor (Wiggins and picks), an even vaguer BOS rumor, and a call for DEN to build a package around Porter Jr and picks.  Minn has been reported interested, but still rather unclear what they would offer. Seems like it would have to be Tangelo Russell +.
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« Reply #20345 on: September 09, 2021, 07:50:15 PM »

Okafor released from Brooklyn. Too slow I guess.

He was trade residue, wasnt he?  To get the tax down?
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« Reply #20346 on: September 09, 2021, 07:54:26 PM »

Searching for the CLE trade article, I spotted a vague GS rumor (Wiggins and picks), an even vaguer BOS rumor, and a call for DEN to build a package around Porter Jr and picks.  Minn has been reported interested, but still rather unclear what they would offer. Seems like it would have to be Tangelo Russell +.


I responded to this already

It would have to be McDaniels, Beasley plus other enticement.

Two pretty good talents.

Shame Minny didnt have a pick from this last draft to toss in

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« Reply #20347 on: September 09, 2021, 07:57:34 PM »

Beasley makes 14.4
McDaniels on rookie deal, at 2.1

Both would be three year guys if Philly wanted.

Toss in Layman or Naz Reid, I guess.
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« Reply #20348 on: September 09, 2021, 08:00:03 PM »

Layman about 14-5-2-1-1 over career per 36 minutes.

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« Reply #20349 on: September 09, 2021, 08:53:19 PM »

Okafor released from Brooklyn. Too slow I guess.

That's what I said when he was traded to the Nyets.
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« Reply #20350 on: September 10, 2021, 01:01:02 AM »

Who blinks first Morey or Klutch?
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« Reply #20351 on: September 10, 2021, 01:36:27 AM »

Beasley makes 14.4
McDaniels on rookie deal, at 2.1
Both would be three year guys if Philly wanted.
Toss in Layman or Naz Reid, I guess.

The headline player in a Simmons trade would be Malik Beasley?
Yikes.  You kidding me?!?
I missed his half-season breakout performance last year.
But that was without Tangelo (and Edwards) with someone needing to score.

That sounds awful for PHI.  Beasley and some flotsam for a 25 year old all-star?  Knix could offer up a better deal ...
I'd think any credible Minn offer would begin with Tangelo plus minor additions such as McDaniels. If PHI had interest in Tangelo running their show.  Malik's gun-and-drug incident/conviction doesn't help either.
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« Reply #20352 on: September 10, 2021, 02:02:31 AM »

I think Morey is as well loved among GMs as Klutch is among agencies

Teams are only looking to let him off the hook on terms that leave them palpably improved. A team might get desperate at some point but that will only be a real motivator after the start of the regular season.
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« Reply #20353 on: September 10, 2021, 08:10:06 AM »

Beasley makes 14.4
McDaniels on rookie deal, at 2.1
Both would be three year guys if Philly wanted.
Toss in Layman or Naz Reid, I guess.

The headline player in a Simmons trade would be Malik Beasley?
Yikes.  You kidding me?!?
I missed his half-season breakout performance last year.
But that was without Tangelo (and Edwards) with someone needing to score.

That sounds awful for PHI.  Beasley and some flotsam for a 25 year old all-star?  Knix could offer up a better deal ...
I'd think any credible Minn offer would begin with Tangelo plus minor additions such as McDaniels. If PHI had interest in Tangelo running their show.  Malik's gun-and-drug incident/conviction doesn't help either.

Malik

Yes

And a premium pick or 2

I didn't give you a percentage chance of it getting done.  Just telling you they aren't dealing Russell.
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« Reply #20354 on: September 10, 2021, 10:46:07 AM »

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