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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20385 on: September 13, 2021, 01:54:46 PM »

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« Reply #20386 on: September 13, 2021, 02:40:31 PM »

Mostly silly Cav trades.
PHI wants to win now with a healthy prime Embiid.
They don't want role players and picks.


ESP Network writer picked 6 2021 non-lottery picks he thinks will significantly outperform their draft spots. 
https://www.espn.in/nba/insider/story/_/id/32191787/five-nba-rookies-most-likely-outperform-season
4 of them the Knix could have drafted: Jalen Johnson, Cam Thomas, Bones Hyland.  Plus  Keon Johnson who I'm unfamiliar with (taken in the Knix original #21 slot).

He's also high on Minny's 2020 Euro-stash Leandro Bolmaro a 6'7" Argentinian combo G.  #23 pick.

Hope our rooks are up for the task.  But Jalen Johnson and Cam Thomas seem promising.

Lordy, you cannot help yourself can you.  WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA.  Tell me...did you WATCH the Knicks in Summer League? 

Cam Thomas had an excellent Summer. 

SO DID OUR OWN Quentin Grimes, similar game and size and stroke...not to mention PG Miles McBride who will shortly be tasked with guarding arch super villain Trae Young, and yes the Nyets scored when Hyland dropped to them in the late first, but we nabbed a steal in Jericho Sims at #58.  At FIFTY EIGHT. 

YOU CANNOT DRAFT EVERYONE

Bolmaro was drafted by the Knicks at #23, then offloaded in the jockeying for draft picks and draft position, present and future, that produced # 25 pick, Immanuel Quickley and #33 pick Daniel Oturu, who they unloaded for a future #2 [they supposedly wanted Duke C Vernon Carey, but he went to Hornets at #32].  Feel free to second guess passing on PG Theo Maledon at #34. 

Jalen Johnson fell to the Hawks at #20 because we and other teams passed, a little leery of his time and tribulations and Duke, not his talent. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20387 on: September 13, 2021, 02:49:04 PM »

If Johnson can play small forward I might consider him a miss depending on how Grimes turns out

If he is limited to power forward this was not the squad for him
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« Reply #20388 on: September 13, 2021, 02:57:43 PM »

Thats quite fair though I still like Barrett at the 3 with a sniper 2
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« Reply #20389 on: September 13, 2021, 03:06:34 PM »

Sacramento could offer...probably IS OFFERING...

Hield
Bagley

&

AND? 

Draft Capital

And/Or Harrison Barnes. 

They will NOT be offering Haliburton or Fox or Davion Mitchell. 

Philly is not going to do better than that.  Not perfect.  But Bagley might finally blossom in a new Culture, and Hield gives them a dead eye to go with Danny Green.  Maxy and Shake Milton can handle the point.   

Wolves have NOTHING without some package involving D'Angelo, and they kinda DON'T want to do that. 
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« Reply #20390 on: September 13, 2021, 03:18:33 PM »

Bagley being in a deal is just media speculation
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« Reply #20391 on: September 13, 2021, 03:27:28 PM »

If Johnson can play small forward I might consider him a miss depending on how Grimes turns out

If he is limited to power forward this was not the squad for him

https://www.nba.com/draft/2021/prospects/jalen-johnson

He is not projected as a PF but rather as a SF-G, a big wing at 6'9" 
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« Reply #20392 on: September 13, 2021, 03:28:34 PM »

Here are the Sacramento bigs (looking to make a playoff run, remember)

H Barnes
A Len
C Metu
R Holmes
T Thompson
N Keta
D Jones
M BAGLEY


I dont think Sac wishes to deal out of Marvin at the starting 5, Holmes and Barnes battling for the 4.  Len/Thompson and a host of others seeking backup 5 minutes
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« Reply #20393 on: September 13, 2021, 07:48:21 PM »

Internet deal

Knicks get Chip's fave BEASLEY

Minnesota gets Burks, Knox and CHA's #1 in 2022
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20394 on: September 13, 2021, 08:24:12 PM »

If Johnson can play small forward I might consider him a miss depending on how Grimes turns out

If he is limited to power forward this was not the squad for him

https://www.nba.com/draft/2021/prospects/jalen-johnson

He is not projected as a PF but rather as a SF-G, a big wing at 6'9"

Given who else is on Atlanta he will be guarding the less dangerous of the 3 or 4 when he is on the court at least while he learns the game.
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« Reply #20395 on: September 13, 2021, 09:12:36 PM »

If Johnson can play small forward I might consider him a miss depending on how Grimes turns out

If he is limited to power forward this was not the squad for him

https://www.nba.com/draft/2021/prospects/jalen-johnson

He is not projected as a PF but rather as a SF-G, a big wing at 6'9"

Given who else is on Atlanta he will be guarding the less dangerous of the 3 or 4 when he is on the court at least while he learns the game.


Some pretty talented people ahead of him in the scrum.  DeAndre Hunter.  Gallinari. 
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« Reply #20396 on: September 13, 2021, 09:19:56 PM »

A wonderful wild card, Johnson.
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« Reply #20397 on: September 14, 2021, 12:20:23 AM »

I haven't seen any of these players (including Grimes).
Just passing on info.  Obviously I hope the Knix made a good choice and got a good player.  Minor worry they outsmarted themselves with their wheeling and dealing and could have just drafted at their set slots and gotten 2 nice players.  We'll see.

With the Knix talent level and middle of the road prospects, you hope you can find one starter among two picks in the early/mid 20's.  More likely you get a contributing role player such as Quix.  But there are always a few future starters out there from 20-40, and you hope to find them.  I usually prefer drafting for fit, but this year I would have gone solely on talent/BPA.  If either Cam or Jalen projects as a starter, I want in.

Jalen Johnson was from most accounts a lottery talent who had character questions for how he left his college team (and HS as well?).  That motivation/maturity risk is why he dropped.  ATL has a deep team and could take a flyer on a risk/reward prospect.  Knix could have done the same given 2 picks in the 20's.
As some remarked here, Bones Hyground sounds rather duplicative of Quickly.


As for RJB, I think he's a pretty flexible cat.  Can play at either wing slot on both ends.  And do agree that his defense took leaps last season.  He was our key switch and close out wing, having to make instant read and react decisions. 
Compare to when Burks was in the same role on the 2nd unit and would drift too far away from his man, get buried by screens he didn't see forming, hesitate or make the wrong closeout read.  RJB is a solid man defender but a very good off ball defender -- was quite nice as a switch/help/closeout team defender.   As a hard worker, RJ should be able to up his on ball D more.  Has a bit of trouble with quick first step bursts, and likes to be physical which gets him into foul trouble at times.  But nicely competitive.  While his steal rate might be somewhat low, likely due to mostly playing off-ball help D, it seemed he got a fair amount of deflections (as does Quix).  Not sure if anyone has deflection stats available, and for RJB the help role will damp that down some as well.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20398 on: September 14, 2021, 01:23:27 AM »

In terms of talent and technique our two best perimeter defenders might be the rooks Grimes and McBride. Both are strong for their size and have really good balance on quick feet. They make good choices and stay active and engaged every possession all possession that we saw.

With the switch from Payton to Walker and Bullock to Fornier we dropped defensively while we upped our fire power. As a result we might see the rooks play as defensive substitutes. It helps they both move the ball and hit shots.
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« Reply #20399 on: September 14, 2021, 11:41:46 AM »

In terms of talent and technique our two best perimeter defenders might be the rooks Grimes and McBride.


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