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« Reply #129045 on: September 13, 2017, 04:59:04 PM »

I couldn't be more pleased that Carmelo is still a Knick.  

For advancing the development of Hernan-Gomez, Porzingis, Kuzminskas, Hardaway and Ntilikina.  

Not to mention the bond Melo has with Kyle O'Quinn and Lance Thomas, and the role Melo could play as a role model along with Sessions and Noah, on the court and in practice.  

As many will recall, Melo was none too pleased when the Knicks traded Timmy, and while I signed off on Phil's move then, I am presently doing penance, because from what I can gather Timmy and Frank have been bonding with each other, and scrimmaging with Melo, and working damn fucking hard.  

Neither Timmy nor Frank are stupid, and they are keenly aware that they are about to be deep fried under the glaring NYC spotlight BIG TIME, Timmy because Knicks fans have been freaking out about his contract, and Frank because his absence from summer league exacerbated the darkest streams of Knicks angst, and the sense that we might have passed on the second coming of Jesus in choosing Ntilkina over Smith.  

I believe that given the absence of Phil and most elements of his douchebag psyche, head games and triangular obsessions (I dare say some aspects of the Triangle will endure, which is not an issue for me, as it represents fundamental half court hoops), while the kids will get to play out all of their growing pains, Melo will be there to deflect the media glare, and to be showcased in the new Hornacek offense, as will his stunt double Michael Beasley (a signing I really like), and his shadows, Kuzminskas and Thomas.  Nice motivation for Beasley, Thomas and Kuz moving forward, not to mention O'Quinn and KP, as Melo could be our putative sixth man, even if he does technically start, because I would expect to see Anthony pulling minutes at PF as well as SF.  

Who makes the final 15 cut, and who ends up as 16-17 man, and 18-19-20 in Westchester, remains to be seen, but I think we have the makings of a really good, competitive training camp.  

Beyond that, who knows.  But my sense of things is that commitment to growth, and developing a foundational core of youth will sustain us emotionally, no matter the record, so long as we have a sense of patience on the part of the Knicks moving forward.  NO MORE QUICK FIXES AND EATING OUR YOUTH.  

7      Carmelo Anthony   SF   33   6-8   240   Syracuse   $26,243,760
26   Jamel Artis   SG   24   6-7   213   Pittsburgh   $815,615
31   Ron Baker   SG   24   6-4   220   Wichita State   $4,328,000
9   Michael Beasley   SF   28   6-9   235   Kansas State   $1,471,382
--   Damyean Dotson   SG   23   6-5   210   Houston   $1,100,000
10   Tim Hardaway Jr.   SG   25   6-6   205   Michigan   $16,500,000
20   Nigel Hayes   SF   22   6-7   254   Wisconsin   $815,615
14   Willy Hernangomez   C   23   6-11   240       $1,435,750
--   Ognjen Jaramaz   PG   22   6-4   194       
99   Luke Kornet   PF   22   7-1   250   Vanderbilt   
91   Mindaugas Kuzminskas   F   27   6-9   215       $3,025,035
5   Courtney Lee   SG   31   6-5   200   Western Kentucky   $11,747,890
13   Joakim Noah   C   32   6-11   230   Florida   $17,765,000
17   Frank Ntilikina   G   18   6-5   190       $3,501,120
9   Kyle O'Quinn   C   27   6-10   250   Norfolk State   $4,087,500
6   Kristaps Porzingis   PF   22   7-3   240       $4,503,600
4   Chasson Randle   PG   24   6-2   185   Stanford   $1,312,611
1   Xavier Rathan-Mayes   SG   23   6-4   208   Florida State   $815,615
7   Ramon Sessions   PG   31   6-3   190   Nevada   $1,471,382
42   Lance Thomas
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« Reply #129046 on: September 13, 2017, 07:13:34 PM »



A peaceful journey to FRANK VINCENT, one of my all-time favorite character actors, who just lit up the room when he appeared on screen. 



And a fellow drummer as well. 
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« Reply #129047 on: September 13, 2017, 09:38:38 PM »

All this cabbie talk -

tough day for them in NYC today.
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« Reply #129048 on: September 13, 2017, 09:42:16 PM »

Good post, Shaman -

one thing being incredibly evident - that the ROSTER this year compared to what Phil inherited is  top notch

Kudos on the way out to his Philness.  May his ride be peaceful this winter.
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« Reply #129049 on: September 13, 2017, 10:14:24 PM »

Good post, Shaman -

one thing being incredibly evident - that the ROSTER this year compared to what Phil inherited is  top notch

Kudos on the way out to his Philness Phoolness.  May his ride be peaceful this winter.

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« Reply #129050 on: September 13, 2017, 10:23:06 PM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/banner-hung-fenway-park-racism-american-baseball-article-1.3494272

Racism

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Baseball

As we were saying? 
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« Reply #129051 on: September 13, 2017, 10:39:06 PM »


I saw the banner.

It can be taken/interpreted in two ways.

1) as an approval of racism

or

2) the affirmation of the sad reality of racism in America.

I think it was #2 , and meant as a social commentary/protest statement.

Which do you think it was?

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« Reply #129052 on: September 14, 2017, 03:54:00 AM »

one thing being incredibly evident - that the ROSTER this year compared to what Phil inherited is  top notch
Kudos on the way out to his Philness.  May his ride be peaceful this winter.
Noah might be the worst contract extant. Old & gimpy, non-offensive.
Melo is aging and overpaid and discontented -- everything Melo was handled poorly by Phil.
Hardaway Jr doesn't go on Phil's tab, since he traded him away and then Mills brought him back.

Phil drafted KZ & Franco, gifts from playing poorly and losing.  Though good picks (jury still out on Nkit, though wise to draft a PG).
And Willy was a nice 2nd round pick.

Phil inherited Melo, and botched it subsequently, so the only starter Phil brought in for this year was KZ.  And Noah might or might not start after he misses the first month.

Phil did corral a bunch of good role players:
Courtly (potential starter), KOQ, Willy, Kuz, Lance, Baker,
So basically Phil was responsible for drafting well and bringing in a decent bench.
We have no legit starting PG.  No leadership.  Not much defense.
And we're basically starting over.
Thanks Phil.
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« Reply #129053 on: September 14, 2017, 03:57:09 AM »

Otherwise, racism is much more popular in the US than baseball, and has a much longer history. 

The Founding fathers didn't play ball, except with slavers.
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« Reply #129054 on: September 14, 2017, 08:33:00 AM »

one thing being incredibly evident - that the ROSTER this year compared to what Phil inherited is  top notch
Kudos on the way out to his Philness.  May his ride be peaceful this winter.
Noah might be the worst contract extant. Old & gimpy, non-offensive.


Unfair.

A - We have been pining for defensive play for years

B - The team needs leaders

C - You have to give a cat a chance to get healthy




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« Reply #129055 on: September 14, 2017, 08:45:29 AM »

We shall see. And we get to experience life without him for a while first.
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« Reply #129056 on: September 14, 2017, 08:48:23 AM »

No doubt - Wily gets to grab that job and run with it.  Though I like KOQ as the starter early on.

If Melo has any spring left at all, the Frank-THJ-Melo-KP-Wily group has some serious athleticism to it.

"Go ahead and score 100 on us.  Now TRY TO STOP US from getting 105"

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« Reply #129057 on: September 14, 2017, 08:50:08 AM »

Or.........if you prefer.............

D'Antoni Lite.
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« Reply #129058 on: September 14, 2017, 09:23:38 AM »

+**-*
the Frank-THJ-Melo-KP-Wily group has some serious athleticism to it.
"Go ahead and score 100 on us.  Now TRY TO STOP US from getting 105"
More like go ahead and score 115 on us, we're going to get 105.
How do you get stops with that group.  Probably foul a lot.
The only thing interesting would be to watch other teams go small, and make our Bigs guard the perimeter and run around.  Could we post anybody?  Maybe rebound.

Noah was damaged before he arrived, and we philishly gave him a long contract.  When Phil arrived we had TyC, a defensive C better than Noah.  We had JEarl and Shump > Tim Jr. and Courtly.
30 year old Melo better than the 33 yo version.  At PG, we had a decaying Ray Felt, and now a neophyte to train.  

Basically Phil made us younger, but not more talented.
His humiliating win totals got him good draft picks.
His trades were of old players for non-players.  Got nothing for reasonably talented vets such as TyC, JEarl and Shump.  And couldn't trade Melo because he botched that in the earlier stages.

The roster Phil inherited was more talented than the one we have now.  That team had 37 W's.  This team won't.


The only Phil trade I liked was Tim Jr for a #20 pick.  But we gave up on Jerian Grant too fast, and could have tabbed Delon Wright, who looks promising now that he's gotten healthy.  

I realize Noah was supposed to be a high triangle passing C.  And a leader.  But he was coming off 2 injury seasons.  His inability to play offense was becoming more pronounced, and he was getting older/slower to execute the PnR defense on which he made much of his rep.  Plus he misses a lot of games.  It was a bad move by Phil linked to his insistence on the Triangle.  via injury and suspension, Noah blew his claim to leadership.  His presence looks even worse now that a youth movement has been declared.
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« Reply #129059 on: September 14, 2017, 09:50:09 AM »

Phil inherited:
1   Carmelo Anthony 29
2   J.R. Smith            28   
3   Raymond Felton    29
4   Tyson Chandler    31
5   Andrea Bargnani    28   
6   Iman Shumpert    23
7   Tim Hardaway    21
8   Amar'e Stoudemire 31
9   Kenyon Martin   36   
10   Pablo Prigioni   36
11   Toure' Murry   24   
12   Cole Aldrich       25

It was a vet team that won 54 games the year before, but had slipped to 37 W's, and was becoming uninspired, as Amare was becoming extra gimpy.

Phil traded away TyC for old folks and Jearl and Shump for okay role players.  The result, he crashed us down to 17 W's -- and we drafted KZ.

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A - We have been pining for defensive play for years

We had Lopez a good Phil FA signing, as our defensive C.  and flipped him for the Rose Rental. We should have kept Lopez.  Prior to that Phil inherited TyC.

So we had defensive C's, guys who could stay on the court and defend.  Phil went all-in for Noah because of his Triangle offensive potential and his leadership.  But he was old and gimpy and gobbling steroids to get healthy.
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