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Re: Knicks
« Reply #180 on: August 09, 2018, 03:02:58 PM »

Buyouts effect team bottom lines, but not salary cap implications. Our concerns are not with the real dollars, but with the cap. Mills and Perry have had a lot of time to interact with Noah and to discuss his predicament with Fizz. The rumor seems to be that the collective decision is that regardless of money, having Noah around would be detrimental to the development of the team. Knicks don’t want him & nobody will take him at what he’s paid.

With buyouts making no difference, Knicks choices are if and when to stretch

No stretch = $18.5 M in 2018, $19 M in 2019

Stretch before 9/1 = $7.5 M in 2018, $7.5 M in 2019, $7.5 M in 2020, $7.5 M in 2021, $7.5 M in 2022

Stretch between 9/1 and next season = $18.5 M in 2018, $6.4 M in 2019, $6.4 M in 2020, $6.4 M in 2021

If the Knicks want to keep Noah around to preserve flexibly to the very last second while at the same time keeping JoNo away from the squad, that causes trouble with the players, the union, and the agents, all of whom you need to favor you if you want to be a player destination.

The clean approach is to part ways as soon as you can lock this year’s salary into the books. We intend to be an over-cap under-tax team anyway in years where both lines are projected to jump up.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #181 on: August 09, 2018, 03:20:00 PM »

knicks should not stretch noah in september and still have 6 million of him on their books for 3 years.  Noah isn't going to give any money back to NY.  he isn't a stupid man.

well, Knix can just hold on to his contract for 2 years and not play him.  He'll be 34 by then and his NBA career likely over after not playing for almost 3 years. 



But wise NBA types are not vindictive fucks, so no - we wont hurt ourselves just to hurt him
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« Reply #182 on: August 09, 2018, 03:22:24 PM »

Buyouts effect team bottom lines, but not salary cap implications. Our concerns are not with the real dollars, but with the cap. Mills and Perry have had a lot of time to interact with Noah and to discuss his predicament with Fizz. The rumor seems to be that the collective decision is that regardless of money, having Noah around would be detrimental to the development of the team. Knicks don’t want him & nobody will take him at what he’s paid.

With buyouts making no difference, Knicks choices are if and when to stretch

No stretch = $18.5 M in 2018, $19 M in 2019

Stretch before 9/1 = $7.5 M in 2018, $7.5 M in 2019, $7.5 M in 2020, $7.5 M in 2021, $7.5 M in 2022

Stretch between 9/1 and next season = $18.5 M in 2018, $6.4 M in 2019, $6.4 M in 2020, $6.4 M in 2021



Thanks

Yeah, so I like plan C
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« Reply #183 on: August 09, 2018, 03:30:13 PM »

Whatever they do, let’s never get another coach named Jeff. They all seem to leave a toxic legacy.
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« Reply #184 on: August 09, 2018, 03:31:03 PM »

Yeah. It’s a not good but least bad sort of decision. If this is the path, we should do it in a timeframe that gives Noah the best chance to lock on with another team. It’s a favor to him and his agent that will cost us nothing and build good will.
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« Reply #185 on: August 09, 2018, 03:32:45 PM »

Whatever they do, let’s never get another coach named Jeff. They all seem to leave a toxic legacy.

Who since VanGundy has been as good or as fun as VanGundy?
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« Reply #186 on: August 09, 2018, 04:52:23 PM »

Whatever they do, let’s never get another coach named Jeff. They all seem to leave a toxic legacy.

Who since VanGundy has been as good or as fun as VanGundy?

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« Reply #187 on: August 09, 2018, 06:52:23 PM »

Well they’ve kept Baker around so far. He’s kind of like a Hornacek bobble head.
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« Reply #188 on: August 09, 2018, 07:17:51 PM »

Knicks can now afford Deng next year.....
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« Reply #189 on: August 09, 2018, 08:24:13 PM »

No stretch = $18.5 M in 2018, $19 M in 2019

Stretch before 9/1 = $7.5 M in 2018, $7.5 M in 2019, $7.5 M in 2020, $7.5 M in 2021, $7.5 M in 2022

Stretch between 9/1 and next season = $18.5 M in 2018, $6.4 M in 2019, $6.4 M in 2020, $6.4 M in 2021

Anything but the first option is myopic
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« Reply #190 on: August 09, 2018, 09:07:29 PM »

That means another year in addition to this one upcoming of building through internal improvements, the draft, and tinkering around the edges of free agency.

I don’t think it’s the worst plan, but it doesn’t seem to be where the organization is heading.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #191 on: August 09, 2018, 10:26:59 PM »

No stretch = $18.5 M in 2018, $19 M in 2019

Stretch before 9/1 = $7.5 M in 2018, $7.5 M in 2019, $7.5 M in 2020, $7.5 M in 2021, $7.5 M in 2022

Stretch between 9/1 and next season = $18.5 M in 2018, $6.4 M in 2019, $6.4 M in 2020, $6.4 M in 2021

Anything but the first option is myopic

Well, if that's how it works, pretty obvious the 2nd one isn't an option.
If stretching you let this year's salary take effect and then stretch just the final year after Sept 1. 

A dead $6.4M for 3 years isn't great, but it's less than a mid-level contract and not much more than we paid Baker last year and this.
But lots of teams will have cap space next year, so it's not the best off-season to have money freed.
One day Knix might get ahead of the curve instead of following the pack.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #192 on: August 09, 2018, 11:23:28 PM »

A true rebuild season with some interesting pieces along with the anchor weights.
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« Reply #193 on: August 10, 2018, 11:58:11 AM »

Seemingly we have THREE pieces in place (this if the Knox buildup holds - and assuming Kanter is history)

Need to get to TEN.
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« Reply #194 on: August 10, 2018, 01:04:29 PM »

KP, Robinson, Knox, and Frank make 4 foundational pieces. There are a number of prospects on the roster who could rise to compliment that group.
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