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Re: Knicks
« Reply #885 on: September 29, 2018, 07:15:35 PM »

Houston clearly not shy about going for it this year.

i would think Knight would not be in the final deal.

who knows.

i am happy we are not involved.

we are a auditioning players for the future and developing a culture.

no one has a lock on playing time until KP returns and we work him back in slowly.  very refreshing.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #886 on: September 30, 2018, 01:31:47 AM »

Houston clearly not shy about going for it this year.

i would think Knight would not be in the final deal.

who knows.

Again, Knight cannot be included in the deal right now as it would involve other players heading out from Houston.
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Re: My Lineup
« Reply #887 on: September 30, 2018, 01:35:44 AM »

Trey
Frank
Kevin
Mario
Mitch


6th man: THjr
7th man: Enes
8th man: Lee

I think THJr and especially Enes can be written in by Sharpie; they're locks, irrespective of what Fiz says about all spots up for grabs.

I doubt Big Mitch will start the season in the rotation.

If I had to guess the opening night 9-man:

Burke/THJr/Courtly/Hezonja/Enes
Mudiay/Frank le Franc/Knox/Vonleh

It's a pretty inexperienced crew. Loads of new players, most of the guys don't know how to defend. There's skill and enthusiasm there, but I expect a very, very slow start.
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Re: My Lineup
« Reply #888 on: September 30, 2018, 03:50:48 AM »

Trey
Frank
Kevin
Mario
Mitch


6th man: THjr
7th man: Enes
8th man: Lee

I think THJr and especially Enes can be written in by Sharpie; they're locks, irrespective of what Fiz says about all spots up for grabs.

I doubt Big Mitch will start the season in the rotation.

If I had to guess the opening night 9-man:

Burke/THJr/Courtly/Hezonja/Enes
Mudiay/Frank le Franc/Knox/Vonleh

It's a pretty inexperienced crew. Loads of new players, most of the guys don't know how to defend. There's skill and enthusiasm there, but I expect a very, very slow start.

Kanter-Hezonja-Knox-Timmy-Burke

Kornet-Thomas-Lee-Frank-Mudiay
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Re: My Lineup
« Reply #889 on: September 30, 2018, 10:09:43 AM »

Kanter-Hezonja-Knox-Timmy-Burke

That's about what I expect.
But man is that a terrible defensive team.
Who's your stopper on the 1st unit?  Rook Knox?  Tim Jr.?
Looks untenable.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see Lance (or Vonleh) start.

I would probably go with:
Franc - Tim Jr. - Knox - Lance - Kanter
2nd unit: Burke - Courtly - 'Zonja - Vonleh
Mud & Kornet would have to make a case for themselves or be used situationally.  Vonleh too more or less.

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Don't think you can have 3 defenders all off the pine.
And our 4th defensive player, Vonleh, out of the rotation.

My Franc/Tim & Burke/Courtly pairings balances scoring with D.
Works if Tim (and Franc) have upped their ballhandling some.
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Re: My Lineup
« Reply #890 on: September 30, 2018, 11:16:31 AM »

Kanter-Hezonja-Knox-Timmy-Burke

That's about what I expect.
But man is that a terrible defensive team.
Who's your stopper on the 1st unit?  Rook Knox?  Tim Jr.?
Looks untenable.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see Lance (or Vonleh) start.

I would probably go with:
Franc - Tim Jr. - Knox - Lance - Kanter
2nd unit: Burke - Courtly - 'Zonja - Vonleh
Mud & Kornet would have to make a case for themselves or be used situationally.  Vonleh too more or less.

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Don't think you can have 3 defenders all off the pine.
And our 4th defensive player, Vonleh, out of the rotation.

My Franc/Tim & Burke/Courtly pairings balances scoring with D.
Works if Tim (and Franc) have upped their ballhandling some.

I get the impression that Fizz is going to deploy a deep rotation, mix and match, with defense a deciding factor. 

Initially, we may be crappy, but the goal is to be scrappy. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #891 on: September 30, 2018, 02:02:47 PM »

all you want defense but only i have mitch in for enes

and frank for THjr

y'all pay lip service to D

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I'm a "The future is now" guy.

If Mitch is the future... play him now.

You can't do that in every league.  But in the NBA you can.

Why do anything half-way?   

We went young for a reason.

There are only - according to fizz- 5 low post threats in the NBA that mitch would be overmatched against.

Newsflash... so would anyone else on our squad.
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Re: My Lineup
« Reply #892 on: September 30, 2018, 02:39:21 PM »

Kanter-Hezonja-Knox-Timmy-Burke

That's about what I expect.
But man is that a terrible defensive team.
Who's your stopper on the 1st unit?  Rook Knox?  Tim Jr.?
Looks untenable.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see Lance (or Vonleh) start.

I would probably go with:
Franc - Tim Jr. - Knox - Lance - Kanter
2nd unit: Burke - Courtly - 'Zonja - Vonleh
Mud & Kornet would have to make a case for themselves or be used situationally.  Vonleh too more or less.

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Kornet-Thomas-Lee-Frank-Mudiay

Don't think you can have 3 defenders all off the pine.
And our 4th defensive player, Vonleh, out of the rotation.

My Franc/Tim & Burke/Courtly pairings balances scoring with D.
Works if Tim (and Franc) have upped their ballhandling some.

I get the impression that Fizz is going to deploy a deep rotation, mix and match, with defense a deciding factor. 

Initially, we may be crappy, but the goal is to be scrappy.

We will win our share

IF we put the ball in the bucket

OFFENSE RULES!
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Re: My Lineup
« Reply #893 on: September 30, 2018, 04:36:48 PM »

Kanter-Hezonja-Knox-Timmy-Burke

That's about what I expect.
But man is that a terrible defensive team.
Who's your stopper on the 1st unit?  Rook Knox?  Tim Jr.?
Looks untenable.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see Lance (or Vonleh) start.

I would probably go with:
Franc - Tim Jr. - Knox - Lance - Kanter
2nd unit: Burke - Courtly - 'Zonja - Vonleh
Mud & Kornet would have to make a case for themselves or be used situationally.  Vonleh too more or less.

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Kornet-Thomas-Lee-Frank-Mudiay

Don't think you can have 3 defenders all off the pine.
And our 4th defensive player, Vonleh, out of the rotation.

My Franc/Tim & Burke/Courtly pairings balances scoring with D.
Works if Tim (and Franc) have upped their ballhandling some.

I get the impression that Fizz is going to deploy a deep rotation, mix and match, with defense a deciding factor. 

Initially, we may be crappy, but the goal is to be scrappy.

We will win our share

IF we put the ball in the bucket

OFFENSE RULES!

Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained. 
   
Stefan Bondy: Fizdale says he has not settled on a starting lineup for tomorrow’s game. Worth noting though the players in blue jerseys at practice: Burke, Hardaway, Knox, Hezonja, Kanter.
– via Twitter SBondyNYDN


Ever notice how getting your offense in gear influences your defense? 

Fizz wants to up the pace. 

We'll take our lumps, for sure, but I like that as a starting lineup. 

PS: Howdy, Kam: Robinson is a wonderful prospect, with a world of upside, but your are delusional if you project him beating out Kanter.  And just because Enes likes the kid, and is all in with a mentoring role, does not mean he will not kick his ass from end to end.  PROCESS?  Respect it.  Enes WANTS TO BE A KNICK.  Get over it, haters. 

PPS: Enes also a Turkish patriot, which to me is more significant than is "defensive" shortcomings.  He is a man on a young team.  Underestimate him at your peril.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #894 on: September 30, 2018, 04:41:38 PM »

Well....its easier to play from ahead, if that is what you mean.

I think playing SMART defense is important.  Limit fouling, hold teams to 1 shot, defend the arc.

The latest lineup you posted sure looks like it is slanted toward scoring.

Fizz and Kid8 - sympatico

heh
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #895 on: September 30, 2018, 04:44:24 PM »

Well....its easier to play from ahead, if that is what you mean.

I think playing SMART defense is important.  Limit fouling, hold teams to 1 shot, defend the arc.

The latest lineup you posted sure looks like it is slanted toward scoring.

Fizz and Kid8 - sympatico

heh

Kiid and Shaman.  Same page? 

Huh?

Strange bedfellows. 

Smart defense is 90% effort and commitment. 

PS: Very gratified to see how all of Burke's work in G League and that wonderful run he had the last month of the season has carried over.  And that competition with Frank and Emmanuel will only make us better...them, too. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #896 on: October 01, 2018, 07:57:52 AM »

Scalabrine:

"People talk about Knox and some other guys, but THIS guy comes NBA ready.  Its only 2 games, but......"

- on MILES BRIDGES, who took the freakish on ball defending big Robert Williams off the dribble on a designed play for a key hoop late.

Scal and Isola also remind us to be careful of summer league stars, citing (MVP) Josh Hart's 2-5, -23 performance last night.

Notes 7-14 from Ingram and 8-10, 17 and 7 from McGee in 20 minutes as positives for LA - and notes all the negative +/- for LA while LBJ was at a +1.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #897 on: October 01, 2018, 11:09:42 AM »

Lance and Franc are triangle left-overs and offensive liabilities.


---I would probably go with:
Franc - Tim Jr. - Knox - Lance - Kanter
2nd unit: Burke - Courtly - 'Zonja - Vonleh ---
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #898 on: October 01, 2018, 11:44:17 AM »

We don't have a good team and Franc's a pup.
I'd like to see him get at least half a season at starting PG.
Whether that's to open the campaign or after KZ returns.
I want Franc to have a real opp to play PG with the starters.

I have both Franc and Knox starting, so our yute gets thrown in the mix and take their lumps and hopefully learn and develop.  Those two and KZ are hopefully our future.

Burke is a more advanced offensive player at this stage, but he projects as a backup PG, so I'd let him refine that role.  Though you could argue that starting now will make Burke a better backup PG when he returns to that role after the Knix get a legit starting quality PG.

Then there's also Muddy, who is an ending contract, so you need to either trade him or get him out there and see what he can do.  I'd be looking to toss Mud into any Courtly deals.  it's not going to be easy for Fizz to give minutes and confidence to Burke/Franc/Mud, especially if Courtly is primarily used at SG (if not traded).

Lance is the closest thing we have to a glue guy.  He hustles and knows what to do.  he's not overly skilled but has some 3&D qualities to him.  I like him as a steady the ship kind of guy, preferably off the bench, as our team improves.  As a starter, he provides some continuity and defense, which most of our other starting options lack.

I'm open to starting Vonleh, but he's new to the team and was terrible early in his career.  Really looked like he didn't know much about hoops.  Seems he improved as a defender and boarder last year, and I don't really know where he is now.

If we had a better team/set of starters, I wouldn't mind starting Zonja as a confidence builder.  But it seems unlikely that Knox and Zonja could defend well enough, especially paired with Kanter.

My starting lineup tosses out 2 defenders, 2 offenders and rook (with 2-way potential, but still a rook).  I get 2 young'uns court time.

Otherwise I'm amused by kam's notion that starting a 2nd round rook equates with a defensive focus. 
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« Reply #899 on: October 01, 2018, 01:15:06 PM »

Only great defenders - despite and offensive woes - can project as starters, after all.

Uh-huh
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