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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kiidcarter8]

I found your breakdown of Timmy compelling.

I found your dismissal of Robinson.  BIZARRE. 

Were we watching the same game? 

Character? 

Whatever Robinson said to upset MM, in the end, he responded to Morris' schoolyard taunts by walking away.  MM got tossed.  Very mature. 

But then, we have a standing watch, do we not, in which you are well documented as pooh-poohing forum enthusiasm for our bean pole, having asserted as to how Robinson was headed for G-League, right? 

Wagner was a nice collegiate.  I liked him. 

Think the Lakers might want a Mulligan? 

We shall see.

I didnt watch the game

[kiidcarter8]

Ron Baker has a solid all-around game.
Nothing stands out, but no great flaws either.
I like his hustle and smarts.

As for Tim, some guys develop late.  Usually at PG and C which have extra responsibilities.  But wings tend to find their groove relatively early and stick with it.  Except for those guys you can see improving every year with a definite upward trajectory. There are probably exceptions.

Tim really needs to expand his game (he's shown flashes) and develop consistency.  I'm concerned he's going to be 26 then 28 then 30 and still erratic.  Needs to stay healthy too.

Really at this point, signs point toward a J.R.-lite. Not crazy, but erratic and insecure with flashes of the good stuff, much less talented than J.R. however. He may surprise us and mature, may produce at some point if surrounded by strong leadership on the floor (we don't have that now), but whoever posited him this summer as potential leader himself for the younger players was out of his f'n head.

Not too many true "leaders" in this sport, Les.  Tim's gonna play hard, produce.   Others have to take care of their own shit.  If his effort rubs off.......... hell - the young guys should be giving effort anyway.  Not sure what it is you want to be taught.  How to dress on the road, maybe?

I'm not saying he's formed, but stating honestly what I see before my eyes. Hints of a leaky head, but no definitive proof. Two times in his career he's begun to face real NBA pressure — Hawks playoffs and Knicks scramble for the playoffs last year, he's disappeared — That is WAY TOO SHORT to be called a track record, and I am by no means predicting. He's had some good stretches. He needs a good season. Love to see him have one.

All indications are that Hardaway Jr is a "pro's pro".  Works diligently at his craft, respects fans and the press, good teammate.

I think you should proceed accordingly with him.  That's all.  Paint a nicer pic.

[kiidcarter8]

Mario could take Hardaway’s starting spot by the end of preseason. Dotson could as well, though that seems less likely.

Troll.

[kiidcarter8]

I didnt know Knicks were in a playoff hunt last year - thanks

But my numbers show Hardaway Jr averaged 20 PPG in games 59-79, shooting 45%

DNP last three games.

As you were......

[chipstern]

I found your breakdown of Timmy compelling.

I found your dismissal of Robinson.  BIZARRE. 

Were we watching the same game? 

Character? 

Whatever Robinson said to upset MM, in the end, he responded to Morris' schoolyard taunts by walking away.  MM got tossed.  Very mature. 

But then, we have a standing watch, do we not, in which you are well documented as pooh-poohing forum enthusiasm for our bean pole, having asserted as to how Robinson was headed for G-League, right? 

Wagner was a nice collegiate.  I liked him. 

Think the Lakers might want a Mulligan? 

We shall see.

I didnt watch the game

Now THERE'S a shocker. 

Making you uniquely qualified to comment disparagingly on Mitchell Robinson's "character". 

Heh?

Character + Blackness = PUTDOWN

Character + Whiteness = WAGNER

Query?

Which one actually made a contribution to their team's preseason game? 

Heh²

Specious Comments + Absurd Assertions = Kiid Rock Conclusions

[kiiidcarter8]

Lay off the reefer, Boog.

[chipstern]

Lay off the reefer, Boog.

Lay off the balderdash, Broom.

[lesterluv]

I didnt know Knicks were in a playoff hunt last year - thanks

But my numbers show Hardaway Jr averaged 20 PPG in games 59-79, shooting 45%

DNP last three games.

As you were......

LOL, not 59-79...BEFORE KP went down, and we we're looking at #8 from the other side. THJ laid turd after turd after turd.  Once nothing was even remotely meaningful anymore, he could go back to giving us something tasty once in a while.

[kiidcarter8]

Breen in midseason (homer) form

"Knicks ERUPT for 33 points in the second quarter"

[elephant]

The Hardaway love is a mystery. We're all pulling from him. But he was disappointing in his first stint with the Knicks, and he was disappointing last year. The big issue is consistency — it comes up with almost everyone who watched him play game after game. But there's also the question of WHEN he makes points and his capacity for clutch basketball. I haven't seen much of that. Maybe when he was playing for Atlanta?

[chipstern]

Damn. 

A #2 pick and an undrafted 2-way contract. 

Playing with confidence and attitude. 

Some nice aggression from Ron and Frank as well.  Trey as well.  Timmy up and down.  Mudiay & Hezonja seemed spooked. 

PS: Enes with 22 & 20, but let's hear about his defense.  Coach seemed to like it.  Go figure. 

[chipstern]

Damn. 

A #2 pick and an undrafted 2-way contract. 

Playing with confidence and attitude. 

Some nice aggression from Ron and Frank as well.  Trey as well.  Timmy up and down.  Mudiay and Hezonja seemed spooked. 

PS: Enes with 22 & 20, but let's hear about his defense.  Coach seemed to like it.  Go figure.

Came back with some tenacity after a desultory first quarter.  Getting after it on defense.  Okay, the Nets.  Pelicans at home on Friday, surely representing a more formidable challenge.

[luee]

Watching yanks but looking at knix stats wow. The Alonzo-Enes show. How can you start and play 18 even in preseason without scoring a single point? Fabulous job the past two years beating the bushes for talent.

[bodiddley]

One Knick who knows where the bodies are buried.

Warning: nothing to do with this forum

[bodiddley]

Catching a replay.
First play of the game, Breen says, Hardaway on Crabbe.
Tim makes a show of defending. Crabbe passes off.
Then simply drifts behind the ball handler, Tim gets totally lost and is about 10 feet below the ball, Crabbe with a wide open 3.
Crabbe gets another wide open shot a few plays later.
A little later Tim drifts off his man in the weakside corner, then totally loses sight of his guy.  Ball gets trapped on the strong side and Burke steals. But if Nets were able to swing it out, Tim was 20 feet from his man and trapped in behind two other players.
Way to D, Tim.