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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

Courtney Lee and Emmanuel Mudiay (17 mil and 13 mil next year for Lee) for Moe Harkless and Miles Leonard (22 mil this year and 23 mil next). Portland sends us a second rounder for the cap help & we wind up only able to offer 1 not 2 max deals to FAs next year. We can let Kornet walk and try to get him in the D-League if he clears waivers.

Kanter Robinson Leonard
Thomas Vonleh KP
Knox Harkless Hezonja
Dotson Hardaway Baker
Frank Trier Burke

Hicks and Allen as the 2 way guys, though we just added Barrett who can push Allen and possibly take his spot.

[Kam]

Is Zonja a mistake player? 

Yes.

[Kam]

    Frank Ntilikina

Should Start.

    Enes Kanter: I like him off the bench moreso than starting

Yes!

    Mitch: Having him planted behind Frank up top gives the Knicks promise as a tough, defensive team for the foreseeable future.

Start Frank and Mitch. Bring Enes off the bench.  I love it.  That's how it should be.  If Mitch gets in early foul trouble you just bring in Enes so Mitch gets the crash course in brain surgery as a starter and Enes gets to wail on second units.

Why wouldn't we do that?  Enes' ego? Mitchell's frailty?

Lets have some defense in the starting unit and not let some of these teams roll off 30-40 point first quarters on us.


Bench Mob: Enes, Tim

[Kam]

Starters should be two-way players.

Bench is for the specialists like Enes,  Lance, and Trier

[bankshot1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24896082/kyrie-irving-says-plans-re-signing-celtics

Kyrie Irving says he intends to remain a member of the Boston Celtics beyond this season.

"I've shared it with some of my teammates as well as the organization as well as everyone else in Boston. If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here next year," Irving said to rousing applause at an event for season-ticket holders at TD Garden on Thursday night.

I know some of you guys have spent a lot of time speculating/fantasizing on KI jumping ship and playing for the Knicks, but you might want to broaden your search.

 

[kiiidcarter8]

Yayyyyy....

Go, Kyrie!!

[lesterluv]

Starters should be two-way players.

Bench is for the specialists like Enes,  Lance, and Trier

Calling Enes a specialist is just plain silly, but agree with ya 100 percent on Frank.

[lesterluv]

Meanwhile, Carmelo looks like a perfect fit for the Houston Rockets offense, perhaps my least favorite in the league, yes, but he's perfect in it.

[chipstern]

So much for all of that specious speculative conjecture about Butler and Kyrie on the Knicks...

And we still have our 2019 #1 pick. 

Imagine that. 

[bankshot1]

Yayyyyy....

Go, Kyrie!!

Kid, sorry to burst your balloon.

But it look like you might get your wish with Kavanaugh on the Court.

Your keg is half full-

Seems Brett was a little thirsty after all that anger came out.

[Pharoah]

I saw what you saw, Pha...

However. 

Mario is a knock down three point shooter, and in the past two games I do not recall him getting a single look, open or otherwise. 

Trying too hard? 

Perhaps.  He is a willing passer...pressing. 

Mudiay?  Hard to get a read.  I like his energy and his aggression, but he is also pressing. 

Timmy?  Confounding.  When he is aggressive, going to the hoop, he makes good plays, and potentially creates opportunities for his team mates.  He is also pressing, vis a vis his intercontinental Ballistic game, and I saw a tendency to swallow the ball, and again, take questionable shots, whereas Trier, a rookie, shows more acumen for creating in the midrange and off the dribble. 

Knicks defensive effort is encouraging. 

Are pushing the tempo, as per Fizdale. 

Rebounding is suspect. 

Ball movement, so fluid in Game 1, took a dive in game two. 

I suspect Friday night could get...dicey. 

Still, absorbing a good ass-kicking might be useful in terms of a re-boot, and refocusing on fundamentals. 

We shall see. 

Davis most definitely a worthy challenge for my man Enes, who didn't face Howard in Game One.  The Nyets Allen is a very nice player, with a lot of upside in the paint for Brooklyn, but Enes had his way with him.  And in terms of defense, well, sometimes the best defense is a good offense, and 22 & 20 still represent a big time performance in the NBA, irrespective of the match-up. 

Trier & Dotson presenting Timmy with a palpable challenge, and a template for how to get it done.

Hey Chip how was your summer?

I definitely think the trio you mention pressing could do with just smarter decision making. Hardaway and Hezonja especially have the skillsets to be positive impact players out the gate, especially THJ. I do wonder if trying to play with pace and follow that one second decision rule is part of their early struggles, but that oughtta become more clear with time and reps. As much as they're vets, they're pretty damned young. So pressing is definitely a fair description!

I'm definitely interested to see how they deal with a squad like NO. I'm hoping Fiz expands these guys' options with more practice time and as the preseason keeps going, but having a quality team force these players to smarten up would only be beneficial imo. One good thing about not sweating the record and focusing on development, the losses can actually be positive.

Dotson needs more opportunities...I really want to see him rock with a better group of players surrounding him because he's been head and shoulders above the garbage unit and also better than Mudiay and arguably Timmy too.

[facilitatorn]

Dotson over Timmy is an easy argument to make at this point.

[facilitatorn]

I love Fizz managing expectations on Kanter’s D. A motivator and a realist at once is our coach.

“I don’t expect him to out quick anyone, but he’s a positional defender and he’s smart.”

All true and all good things for the international man of mystery to focus on while knowing the coach thinks he’s smart. Everyone likes to feel smart. Nice 

[bodiddley]

Courtney Lee and Emmanuel Mudiay (17 mil and 13 mil next year for Lee) for Moe Harkless and Miles Leonard (22 mil this year and 23 mil next). Portland sends us a second rounder for the cap help & we wind up only able to offer 1 not 2 max deals to FAs next year.

Harkless would be a nice addition to NYK, but would probably mean Zonja gets buried.  My Leonard leads the league in needing a change of scenery, but not sure how useful he is, and would be redundant once KZ returns.  Kornet a much cheaper version.

And POR doesn't need another combo wing.  The have McCollum and EvTurner and Seth Curry.  After losing ed davis, they are thin upfront and can't part with Hark.  They could certainly use the cap savings.  And Leopard definitely expendable.

[bodiddley]

Maybe something 3-way, where:

Knix get Hark ($10M this and next) & Wes Mathews ($18M) ending.

DAL gets Tim Jr. ($17M) and My Leonard (10.5M)

POR gets Dwight Powell ($9M, player opt for $10.5M), Mud ($4.5M) and either Zonja or Lance (~$7M). 

Zonja better since he can shoot 3's and is an ending deal.  But probably can't be traded until Dec 15 or whatever in a package.

Basically,
KNIX flip Tim for Hark, shoring up the SF/PF slots.  While adding $7M in cap space for next year.  Wes is a temp fill-in for Tim this year, while Trier and Dotson get their sea legs.  And Courtly steadies the ship.  Knix improve roster balance and add cap space.
Hark probably slides in as starting PF while KZ is out, moving Lance back to his better bench role.

DAL flips Wes' ending for Tim's scoring.  Basically an old-for-young wing swap for the Mavs.  Tim slots in with Smith Jr and Doncic with DeAndre down below.  In the process, they lose athletic Dwight Powel, but Mavs hope Dirk can light a fire under Myers ass, and teach him some tricks.

POR = basically a Hark for Powell swap, which allows them to ditch Leonard for endings.  What's not to like?
POR gets a lot of ending deals (tho Powell can opt in for same money as Hark/Leonard had).  A bouncy Powell, see if Zonja can shoot or Mud can play.  They can use the 3-point shooting Zonja supposedly brings.  But in any case they improve their salary cap for next year. 
Save $10M at least and $20M if Powell opts out (they can decide to keep him or not).

I really like this deal for NYK and POR.
Depends a lot on what DAL thinks of Tim (and his contract) and Powell.
DAL really can use more 3-point shooting.

Thoughts?