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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[bodiddley]

We have seen palpable improvement in the overall games and leadership of both Timmy and Enes.

What are you basing this on?
Looks like the same old Tim to me so far (in of course a small sample).
Can get streaky hot, shoots a low %, not a defender.
What am I missing?

[chipstern]

We have seen palpable improvement in the overall games and leadership of both Timmy and Enes.

What are you basing this on?
Looks like the same old Tim to me so far (in of course a small sample).
Can get streaky hot, shoots a low %, not a defender.
What am I missing?

What are you missing? 

Apparently the better part of all three games. 

Timmy's overall game is better balanced.  He is getting out on the break and attacking the basket more.  His shot selection is not so 3-point dominant.  He is looking to his team mates.  Yes, still a high volume shooter, but on this team, someone who can make shots needs to take shots. 

And Enes has been a double-double on demand. 

Both are working harder and more purposefully on the defensive end. 

People have reacted with predictable snark towards Fizdale as per him trusting Timmy on that final possession against LeVert.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  Coach's way of saying, I believe in you...I believe you can take the next step as a defender.  Putting Frank on LeVert makes a world of sense.  Fizz thinking long term, and the possibility that Timmy is capable of applying his athleticism to such a match-up, as in better days ahead...building his confidence and pride. 

Fizz's argument is that he didn't want to lose Hardaway. 

We shall see if it bears fruit. 

Some folks are unlikely to ever give Timmy any props, or so it would seem. 

[bodiddley]

The first two games were against very weak teams.
And BKY was missing RHJ and DMC.  Wing defenders.
I missed the first game.
Saw parts of the 2nd and the final 3Q's of the Celts game.

Until the terrific sequence where Tim nailed 2 3's and took a charge he was having a poor game v. BOS on both ends.
He's taken some bad shots and shown poor defense both games I saw.
25 FG's and 0 assists wasn't exactly looking for his teammates.
And he's averaging nearly 10 3's per game so far.

Really I think the opposite is true -- that some folks look to praise Tim when he does the slightest good.  In any case, saying he's roughly the same in a very small sample isn't really criticizing.

Othersowise, I don't think lead offensive option and 35 mins a night is a good role for Tim, and not the best way to evaluate him.
When he was tasked to defend LaVert on the final play, it was his 36th minute out there and he had undertaken a heavy offensive load.
And of course, Franc is a better defender regardless.
It also didn't help that our help defense was late and useless.

Kanter has been an M-A-N on offense, but his D has been pretty chumpy.  He's too afraid to come out and when he sags back he isn't quick enough of feet or decision to recover to his man.  It certainly doesn't help that we don't have any PF who can provide long-armed help defense.  Which I assume is why Fizz tried two brief stints with Kant and MitchRob both out there.  And later KZ will help Kant. 

Even before we traded for Kanter I noticed and commented that Kanter make a good faith effort of D.  He just reacts a bit slow, doesn't have long arms, and gets beat routinely.  But he tries.  So the coaches need to help him with angles, quicker reactions, and when to dish out a solid foul and when to back off, for some incremental improvement.

[kiidcarter8]

Hardaway's PER is 21.9

Career is 13.6

Career high is 15.2

THJ is 6th in points and 12th in PPG

[kiidcarter8]

Meanwhile we are 1-2 - with a win over one of the worst NBA teams - and most here don't want to see what we look like with Mudiay.

Funny - when EM seemed to be playing well the masses wanted to credit Fizdale (not any natural progression) - now they want EM nowhere near the team after an ankle injury - and especially not after precious Franklitina (PER 7.5) had a couple of stinkers.

heh

[kiidcarter8]

Although his play may not result in a large number of wins this year, Hardaway’s ascension with Porzingis out still plays a vital role in New York’s future.

If the former Michigan Wolverine can take the next step as a player and develop into a 20-22 point per game scorer, the Knicks offense could become potent as it adds a healthy Porzingis and a more developed Kevin Knox.

This season is Hardaway’s moment to develop into the complete scorer that would be a key piece of the Knicks future success.

As of right now, he is seizing that moment.

[bodiddley]

We need consistency and better shooting %'s from Tim.
And given the roster construction he should be trying to facilitate more.

PER for Tim doesn't account for his defense.
Same for Franc.
As PER always.

Not sure who you are talking about.
I just said that I'd like to see Mud and Mario get some starts a dozen or two games in, once they are healthy and look ready.
Development year.

[bodiddley]

Shump had 26 for Sacto and really filled up the stat sheet.
I didn't even remember which team he was on.

Shump had 16 in the 1stQ, after just 14 the first two games.

OKC can't stop anybody so far.
Nerlens fouled out in 13 mins.

[kiidcarter8]

THJ

39% from 3 (attempts up)
94% from line (attempts way up)

[kiidcarter8]

THJ

Offensive rating -    112 (career high as starter)
Defensive rating -    104 (career high)

[Kam]

I think Mud is/will be a washout.
And Mario seems iffy.
But this is a development year.
So try a little patience.

Maybe Mario can reign in his mistake-prone tendencies and drain shots.  Perhaps he just hasn't figured out the NBA yet.

Maybe Mud can find a role that suits him.   But no reason to give up on him while he's still a Knick.

Yeah i meant let them go after the season.  My crystal ball (for what its worth) can see these guys future is in Europe.

Mudiay HAS NOT improved from last season.

Mario is terrible at basketball.

[kiidcarter8]

More Rondo-Paul video just in

https://twitter.com/BoringEnormous/status/1054143258908114944

[Kam]

Meanwhile we are 1-2 - with a win over one of the worst NBA teams - and most here don't want to see what we look like with Mudiay.

Funny - when EM seemed to be playing well the masses wanted to credit Fizdale (not any natural progression)

Who said that?  Quote the post.  I call BS that EM ever was "playing well" under Fizz.

[chipstern]

Admittedly a pretty thin sampling.

But over three games?

A .944 FT% [17-18]

A .393 3-PT% [11-28]

Checking in at 28ppg, with 2.7 assists and 3.7 rebounds [Career: 12.2ppg, 1.7 assists, 2.4 rebounds]

So yeah, same old Tim. 

Heh [Trademark Kiid, 2018]

[Kam]

Why the willful ignorance?

Tim is the same tim.  Just more.

More minutes, more shots, more the focus of the offense.

Small sample.