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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[chipstern]

Vonleh is younger than O'Quinn, and has proven more athletic. 

We have an option on Mudiay for 2019-2020, in the form of a qualifying offer of $5.75. 

Kanter, Mudiay, Robinson. 

Where is Melo these days? 

[kiiidcarter8]

There will be a cap hold on Mudiay but not for an exorbitant amount.

[Nagel]

NY needs enough cap space to sign KD if if he wants to come.

that's pretty simple.

Perry need to keep that in mind and I am sure he thinks about it every day.

[bodiddley]

KO'Q has been used sparingly by IND.
He played v. SAS as MyTurn was out.
KOQ looked pretty sharp, did a nice give and go backdoor to CoryJoe, from the 3-point line.  5 Boards and 3 assist in 12 mins.  Problem was he picked up 3 quick fouls, two that looked rather minor/maybe.  He looked ready. to have a nice game, but the 4 fouls limited his minutes. 

TJ Leaf played well.  11 Pts in 16 mins.  Athletic 6'10".  Ran the floor and played above the rim.  One miscue where he tried to drive and the ball went zooming out of bounds way ahead of him.  Only his 4th game this year with double digit minutes.  first with double digit Points.  Hell, only 2nd game with more than 2 points.  But he looked good in his best game of the season.

I didn't realize Spurs were below .500.  The win got them to even.
or that LMA was at just 42% FG this year.  Yikes.  He got into his office and killed in this game.  14-25 FG and 14 boards.  IND missed Turner.  Sabonis couldn't stop LMA.

First I've seen Aaron Holiday.  The 3rd Holiday in the League.
This was his 4th straight games with good minutes and double digit scoring.  He looks like a 6'1" version of JRue.  Lots of energy but he made lots of mistakes too.  A blatant charge on a fast break (for shame).  Didn't pass on another 2-on-1 fast break and had his layup blocked.  Missed all 5 of his 3's.  But he did have energy and speed and you can see a player there if he just reigns it in a little, slows down a bit.  made one nice pass, had one nice steal (leading to the 2-on-1 break).  When Oladipo returns, he'll probably go back to 3rd PG role.

Tyreke Evans looked like he was auditioning to be a cousin of Lance Stevenson.  Went 1-12 FG and got back to that fling the ball at the rim style he used to have years ago.  Embarrassing game.  And with Oladipo out, that's how you lose.  Reke is shooting 37% FG this year.  Ouch.

For Spurs, Gay Rudy did a lot of everything.  Cunningham did nice grunt work.  Mills matched Holiday's energy, but also shot well.  Forbes kept miscuing -- 4 fouls and 4 turnovers, mostly when I was watching.  I like Poeltl and good to see Q Pondexter is still in the Association.  He had a rough go of things healthwise for a few years.

[bodiddley]

Wiz continue to stink.
They started some beefy 2nd rounder Thomas Bryant.  With Dwight buttsore.  Mahinmi DNP.

Awful Rivers = PER of 6.06.
Shooting splits: 38% / 33% / 60%

Wash with as many W's as NYK.
They really need to shake things up.
And drop salary.  On paper they have a terrific starting 5.  No excuse for their weird bench, and poor chemistry.

ESPNetwork has some trade idea of Beal for Lonzo and Ingram.
WIZ should try to interest LAL in Wall for Lonzo and KCP.
Would improve WASH defense greatly.
Unload Wall huge upcoming deal.

Lakes should say No.  Wall overpaid and too ball dominant for an LBJ team.  Beal would go with the Add Shooters To LBJ theory of life.
But I don't see how that help WASH, adding players at PG and SF where they have Wall & Porter.  Money saving and young talent would be the lure.

[kiiidcarter8]

These trade machine guys

A)  can't judge talent

B)  should pay attention to news, feelings out of the respective cities.

[facilitatorn]

This is a take on money deal for us, so the Spurs will need to kick in their second rounder or Toronto’s first if as expected it falls outside the top 20 picks.

Davis Bertans for Trey Burke and Ron Baker.

We get a young Latvian effective though light weight stretch 4 and a pick while clarifying our backcourt and getting the roster to 15 without making cuts.

Pop gets Trey to compete with Forbes and Mills and to see if he can possibly get something out of Baker.

We’d have

Kanter Mitch Kornet
Vonleh Bertans KP
Mario Knox Thomas
Hardaway Dotson Lee
Mudiay Trier Frank

[bodiddley]

Why not keep Burke, a bench scoring machine?

When DeJounte comes back next year, Spurs don't need DJMurray, Mills & Burke.

Not a good deal for either team, methinks.
Knix could simply waive Baker and keep Burke.

I saw an article lambasting the Knix for trading Willy Hernancortez.
Yeah, it was something of a Sell Low.  But Kanter is a much better rebounder, inside scorer, non-defender.  And we have two 2nd rounders coming from CHA (2020 & 2021).  Once CHA moved on from Dwight, it gave Willy a chance to play.  Still had to beat out $17M Biyombo.  Willy wanted more playing time or out.  Knix accommodated.  Maybe just a useful move for both teams.

[luee]

Not to many teams around with the scoring skills of the Knix PG trio (Burke, Trier, and Mud). HC just needs to develop assist mentality which should come mainly from repetition.

[bodiddley]

Trier not a PG.
Tho he's been used there some.

[bodiddley]

Don't know if this is Holiday Hangover Hoops or what, but some ugly games ongoing.
OKC struggled to score 40 in the 1st half at Home v. DEN.  Down 21.
The most interesting thing si watching Grizzled Adams and Jokic annoy each other.

WIZ-NOP is a complete no defense affair.  Neither team looks interested in winning.
Pels 2nd unit not even bothering to guard Wizards 3-pointers.  Lots of sloppy turnovers and
general poor play.

Also, Rockettes losing to Cavs.

And I have a 3rd game, BOS losing to DAL.
Just started watching that.

Three games, so I might find one that's watchable . . .

[thebizneverloses]

Emmanuel Mudiay  aka Hey man you'll boo the guy has looked ok.  Won't we have to renounce him to have a shot at anyone?

Mudiay's cap hold is 9 million (edit: it's actually 12.. He definitely would need to be renounced to make an offer on a $30 million max (not even enough for Durant, but would be enough for someone like Khris Middleton or Kemba Walker, if we went that route).

But Mudiay's salary will be less than that. And if Courtly is somehow moved, that opens up a lot more flexibility, such as the ability to sign Mudiay to a two year, $10m deal; that would reduce the impact of his cap hold and leave us enough money to sign Durant, for example.

The other Durant scenario possibility is that we sign Mudiay to the room exception. As a cap space team, we wouldn't have access to the full $9.0m MLE, but Mudiay might be willing to sign for the room exception (4.6m next year).

Finally, if the Knicks don't get a player who's a good fit in free agency, they may bite the bullet and accept that the Noah stretch was just really myopic, pass on free agency this year, and build from within. Mudiay would presumably stay in that scenario.

Worth noting that while the Knicks don't need a C with Porzingis or Robinson, it's mostly a weak draft for PGs (and to a lesser extent SGs). There may not be a point worth taking in the middle of the lottery. So that may be a context in which NY wishes to bring back at least one if not both of Mudiay and Burke, especially if Ntilikina is not viewed as a full-time PG.

[facilitatorn]

Biz, Mudiay is under the 15-16 CBA. He was picked 7th so his QO after this his 4th year is 34.1% more than his current salary of $4,294,480.00 - That comes to $5,756,215.68

I get this from Bkref for the salary numbers and Realgm for the 15-16 rookie scale which would apply. Here are the links

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mudiaem01.html

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2016

At the under 6 million number we’d be nuts to renounce him if he can keep up his recent level of play.

[Nagel]

whatever it takes to get KD ( if he wants NY) we do.

so please stop talking about keeping anyone but KP.  does anyone really care about the rest of the team?

EVERYONE can go if they have to.

If we have KD and KP then plenty of guys will want in.  In fact I think there would be a flood of talent begging to join.

[chipstern]

whatever it takes to get KD ( if he wants NY) we do.

so please stop talking about keeping anyone but KP. does anyone really care about the rest of the team?

EVERYONE can go if they have to.

If we have KD and KP then plenty of guys will want in.  In fact I think there would be a flood of talent begging to join.

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