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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Les would be a shooting guard here.  Its just a look see.  I have seen enough of these other guys

The age doesnt bother me.  But sure - look at the other top scorer - the guy ahead of Jimmer instead - ,,,,,if he will come.  I dont include Fordson, who is a point.

[facilitatorn]

There are more interesting guys in the Gleague than China.

What are the current team needs?

[Kam]

There are more interesting guys in the Gleague than China.

What are the current team needs?

Well... we just traded a Euro stiff.  We could fill up our quota.

Someone who is tearing up the G-League could be Henry Ellenson

[Kam]

Shams Charania
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@ShamsCharania
 Forward Henry Ellenson plans to sign a 10-day contract with the New York Knicks, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

[bodiddley]

Just saw that.
Not sure why Ellenson was a FA.
But sure, why not take a look at him.

Last week:
Pistons officially have signed guard Wayne Ellington and waived forward Henry Ellenson.

[Kam]

Always a Knick.

Drafted 18th in 2016

But 2016 is  looking like one of the weakest drafts ever

Worse than 2013*

Ellenson was drafted by the Pistons, a couple picks after the Hernangomez brother, and two picks before Caris Lavert

He was Big East Freshman of the year at Marquette grabbing 9.7 rebounds per game along with 17 points







*  (except for Ben Simmons going #1 vs. Anthony Bennett)

[bodiddley]

DET drafting pretty uninspired since Darko in 2003.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/draft.html
Last 6 lotto picks: Kennard (#12), StanJohn 8, KCP 8, Drummond 9, Brandon Knight 8, Greg Monroe 7 in last 8 years.
Also, Ellenson 18, and before that Austin Daye 15, Rod Stuckey 15.
That's a decade of mediocre.

[Have to admit I liked Drummond, StanJohn, and KCP.
But all seemed to stagnate and not add to their game.  Maybe that's on DET's player development, but seems to be the player's limitations.
KCP a genuine 2-way player who is frustratingly passive (Courtly Syndrome); StanJohn a high level defender without a jump shot, can run the court and adding a dribble-drive game; Drummond too inconsistent and puts up stats without impacting winning].

A few scattered good late picks.
2nd rounders Dinwiddie, Amir Johnson, 25 pick Afflalo, Bring it to Jerebko.

Maybe that's just the dangers of drafting around #8 every year.
I guess the real story is last 5 years: Kennard, Ellenson, Stan John and two years without a 1st rounder.  That's a long time without getting a yute to stick.  Though jury out on Kennard.  Looks okay/average, but important distinction whether he can be starter average or just bench average.

[bodiddley]

The two picks directly after Kennard: Donovan Mitch & Bam Onthebayou.

I'll let them slide on Ellenson in a weak draft, but there were of course some better prospects lower (LaVert, Siakim, Brogdon, DeJounte)

Three out of the 5 picks after StanJohn: Winslow, My Turner, Dev Book

KCP a solid #8 pick, but McCollum #10, Grizzled Adams #12, Giannis Superhero #15.

[bodiddley]

2013 a much worse spread than 2016.

'16 looks pretty solid to me.
Top 7 you have 5 guys who could become all-stars.
Simmons, Ingram, Jaylen, Hield, Jamal Murr.
Bender the one bust.
Dunn will probably become a solid backup PG.  Maybe a late bloomer.  Probably more like a mid-round level pick.
That's completely solid, possibly strong, if Jaylen or Ingram reach their potential.

Sabonis (11) is very nice.
Poeltl (9) with a poorly spelled name but solid game.
Thon Maker (10) raw with upside.
Taureen Prince (12) coming along nicely.
Chriss 8 a bust so far, but hugely athletic.

Top dozen rather strong and solid.
Just a top heavy draft.
Not deep, as 13 down is fairly weak.

Yet Juancho (15) is a nice player.
LaVert #20 is LeGit.
Siakim #27 nearly an all-star, having a break out year.
DeJounte #29 a top PG defender learning the craft til his leg fell off.
Damion Jones #30 married into the Curry family.

2nd round:
The Frog, Mr Steady, Malcolm Brogdon 36;
Zubac 32; McCaw 38; Layman 47

Still time for mid-round picks Bembry, Valentine, Beasley, Korkmaz, Luwawu, Skal . . . or even Ellenson to make it as rotation contributors or possible starters.  While Chriss still could get it.
If a few of these guys pan out it could go from an average/solid but top-heavy draft to a strong draft class.
 
Overall looks to me like a very typical draft.  Just distributed funny.
A rather strong Top 12 and then thins out considerably.

[thebizneverloses]

Ridiculous.
Les Hud is 34, hits 35 this Summer.
And what would that do push Franc to 4 PG and 7th G overall?
How does that (or Les) benefit anything?
Complete nonsense.

Thank you. Although I wonder why bother.

[facilitatorn]

Since we like what we’re seeing with Kornet, it makes sense to kick the tires on Henry since he has a somewhat similar profile and skill set. It will be interesting to get a glimpse of where he is in his development.

[bodiddley]

I had totally forgotten [Ed. homeless stomping] about that. No to Jones. He can work on redemption elsewhere.

I have a belief that you don't judge a person based solely on their worst moment.  [Of course you can extend that only so far].  But people are complex, have various facets, and bad judgment or handling a situation badly can occur easily at almost any time. 

I also have a belief that a good percentage of NBA players engage in plenty of awful behavior ranging from the standard cheating on wives, to driving drunk, and probably including various degrees of rape/exploitation, and possibly worse.  But when you have a lot of wealth at such a young age, and so many followers/fawners, it also must be very hard to keep your head and not yield to temptation.
Many also do a fair amount of charity/community work. 

I really focus on on-court contributions and have little interest in their personal life.  That trial made it somewhat hard for me to root for DRose.  But overall, I'd rather not know, and would prefer to separate the personal from the professional even when I do learn something.

[kiidcarter8]

Romeo with the crossover

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1098066452647739392

[Kam]

I had totally forgotten [Ed. homeless stomping] about that. No to Jones. He can work on redemption elsewhere.

I have a belief that you don't judge a person based solely on their worst moment.  [Of course you can extend that only so far].  But people are complex, have various facets, and bad judgment or handling a situation badly can occur easily at almost any time. 

I also have a belief that a good percentage of NBA players engage in plenty of awful behavior ranging from the standard cheating on wives, to driving drunk, and probably including various degrees of rape/exploitation, and possibly worse.  But when you have a lot of wealth at such a young age, and so many followers/fawners, it also must be very hard to keep your head and not yield to temptation.
Many also do a fair amount of charity/community work. 

I really focus on on-court contributions and have little interest in their personal life.  That trial made it somewhat hard for me to root for DRose.  But overall, I'd rather not know, and would prefer to separate the personal from the professional even when I do learn something.

As a teenager Lance Stephenson stomped on his girlfriends fathers head or something like that

He seems to have left that in the past

[kiidcarter8]

Re:  Ellenson

"You get rid of a Kanter, you will be looking for a Kanter"

- more often used with Jacob deGrom