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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[bodiddley]

So far, Mitch and Kurucs looking good as 2nd round rooks.
Bates-D someone to keep watch on.  Brunson a gamer.
Don't know too many other 2nd rooks yet.

I didn't realize, or forgot, but Knix did a great job of locking Mitch up longterm.
Mitchell Robinson signed 4-yr/$6.5MM contract on July 8, 2018.
New York Knicks $1,485,440 / $1,559,712 / $1,663,861 / $1,802,057
•2020-21 is not guaranteed.
•2021-22 is team option.

Just a 2 year guaranteed deal at a combined $3M.  Basically Knix have a team option on both the 3rd & 4th years at roughly $1.7M each.  Fire that agent, Mitch!

[thebizneverloses]

I do recall the week or two prior to the draft hearing good buzz for Shai. He's young and a bit raw/inconsistent, but has talent.  Nice future.  Would have been a good pick. 

But we weren't ready to 1) give up on Franc as PG  2) wanted more of a chance to see what Muddy could do (also had Burke)  3) had definite need at SF/F where there were 3 (or 4) quality players.  And if we had drafted Shai and he didn't pan out we'd have 4 iffy pseudo-PG's, and no F's.  Too risky.  Too many gaps to fill.

We did the safe thing in drafting an SF, and still took some risk by taking the pup.

An excellent argument for BPA, not drafting for need.

Also, Shai/DSJ/Frank actually works as a three guard rotation. Shai playing off the ball a lot with Sweet Lou and Pat Bev, and looking good doing it.

[Kam]

So far, Mitch and Kurucs looking good as 2nd round rooks.
Bates-D someone to keep watch on.  Brunson a gamer.
Don't know too may other 2nd rooks yet.

I didn't realize, or forgot, but Knix did a great job of locking Mitch up longterm.
Mitchell Robinson signed 4-yr/$6.5MM contract on July 8, 2018.
New York Knicks $1,485,440 / $1,559,712 / $1,663,861 / $1,802,057
•2020-21 is not guaranteed.
•2021-22 is team option.

Just a 2 year guaranteed deal at a combined $3M.  Basically Knix have a team option on both the 3rd & 4th years at roughly $1.7M each.  Fire that agent, Mitch!

[/b]

Mitch did fire that agent a week after signing that moronic deal. 

https://nypost.com/2018/07/14/mitchell-robinsons-agent-cost-himself-a-job-with-pre-draft-ploy/

[kiidcarter8]

Shai has gotten minutes.......

worked out well for him

and has shot it just a tick off his college level (34.5 down from 40 from 3)

High ceiling?  Not sure.

[bodiddley]

If anyone knew that Shai was the best player, he would have been taken before Knox and the Bridges.  He started moving up late.

Officially Shai went 11th, but then was traded for the 12th pick Miles Bridges.  So Shai went to the #12 selecting team and Knox + 2 Bridges went to the 9-11th teams.

Also, I'm not sold that Shai is better than Knox.   His development might be a little faster, but he is a year older.

[kiidcarter8]

Robinson cost himself more money by not going to school.  Fire the agent, sure.....

He also didnt need to sign for the 3rd. 4th seasons.

[kiidcarter8]

Shai WAS actually taken before Miles Bridges.  LA dealt for him.

[bodiddley]

Teams really try to get a 3rd year option on 2nd rounders these days, and since they have no money or job guaranteed, they have little power to say no.  $3M guaranteed ain't bad, with another possible $1.7M out there.  But that 4th year is very questionable. 

Almost sure teams can't actually have more than one team option in a contract.  But the non-guaranteed 3rd year gets around that.
It was a strange draft strategy for Mitch including skipping the combine when you were already a mystery kid.  4 years with a cheapo salary with only 2 guaranteed was a bad agreement for Mitch to sign.
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I noted where Shai went and how.

[Kam]

In the NFL the recent recipe for (Non-NewEngland) success is to draft a QB pay him cheap for the first few years and pay everyone else.. hopefully win a SB before you have to pay that QB his second contract.

We have the opportunity to BUILD AROUND MITCH for the next three years with his contract.

[kiidcarter8]

If Mitch is that good Knicks will extend him before year 4

As is....

Wagner got about 9.9.  Mitch 6.4 with no game history.  Nothing to cry about.

[lesterluv]

The crux of the matter is always HOW GOOD WILL THE PLAYER BE?

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.





* and that goes double when the plan is to fill up two or three of your starter spots at the grocery store

[bodiddley]

Wagner got about 9.9.  Mitch 6.4 with no game history.  Nothing to cry about.

50% more.
The guaranteed first 2 years not much different.
But Mo makes almost $4M if the Lakes pick up his 3rd year option, Mitch just $1.8M.  Big difference.

[bodiddley]

Also, Shai/DSJ/Frank actually works as a three guard rotation. Shai playing off the ball a lot with Sweet Lou and Pat Bev, and looking good doing it.

A laughable comparison and thoroughly misguided.
Shai is doing all right surrounded by two very savvy vets.  Pa Bev a vicious defender who can pop some 3's.  LouW a professional assassin.
They steady things for young Shai.

Franc and Smith Jr. are still struggling to define themselves, and both mistake and foul prone.  You'd have three G's vying to see who would make the next turnover.  Rarely do teams play an all-yute backcourt, let alone 3 young G's together.

I've seen Shai look pretty good some games and look shaky others.  He needs vet support for now.

We'd be very fortunate if Franc ever became the defender Pa Bev is, or Smith near the scorer Lou is.

[bodiddley]

A competitive loss.  Good stuff.

Knox dropped in 4 of 5 treys.
Worst +/-  though.

Jr SMith with mostly ugly stats, but game high +/-

Just catching fragments of the replay and won't be able to make it through the 2nd half.  But looks like an interesting game, despite zero comments here.

[lesterluv]

No matter how many treys he dropped I'm sure he gave back double on the other side of the court. He is the one-man tank monster. Can't win if he's in.

Tuned in to about a minute and a half of the Timberwolves game.

First play I saw, Knox was inexplicably bringing the ball up court. Teague strips him
and takes it straight down for a layup.

Can't really imagine watching more than a minute and a half these days...