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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

Kanter got what he needed. May he make the most of his opportunity. He didn’t help us very much & I didn’t expect him to. He was the price of getting rid of Melo.

[kiidcarter8]

Fiz:  "We laid down our culture"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832607?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

[elephant]

As for those who oddly cried about DA Jordan's late DNP's, I read somewhere that the Knix offered to release him, if he wanted to latch on with a playoff team.  But he reportedly declined and said he was fine with mentoring.  And Fizz said DAJ was very professional and didn't mind having Mitch start and getting DNP's.
If accurate, a very large disparity from Kanter's tantrums.

Everyone knows how i feel about him and I am not making an excuse for his media outbursts but IN DEFENSE OF KANTER....  he is 26 to Jordan's 30.  So they're at different points of their career with different priorities.

His agent is Mark Bartelstein who also represents Brad Beal and Kyle Kuzma.  So he has good representation.  I don't know who gave him the advice to be a prick but it worked. He got out while maintaining the whole time how he wanted to stay a knick.

Yeah, this is a disappointingly dim observation from BD. Not only are they at different places in their careers, but they came to the team at totally different junctures in the season. It's too tedious to bring up the Kanter condemnations again, but I will say that his response and Jordan's response both make sense to me vis-a-vis their careers.

[carlos123]

As for those who oddly cried about DA Jordan's late DNP's, I read somewhere that the Knix offered to release him, if he wanted to latch on with a playoff team.  But he reportedly declined and said he was fine with mentoring.  And Fizz said DAJ was very professional and didn't mind having Mitch start and getting DNP's.
If accurate, a very large disparity from Kanter's tantrums.

ODDLY I cried, and as a result got TOTALLY HUMBLED by the infinite wisdom of the one who knows it all.

What were the conditions of Jordan's release? I just don't know them, or if there was any offer. But BoZ sure knows.

How is it ok to DNP a very good player still in his prime in the final 7 games of a contract year?

Maybe Berman is THE SOURCE. https://nypost.com/2019/04/04/deandre-jordan-open-to-knicks-future-even-with-awkward-present/

[bodiddley]

What were the conditions of Jordan's release? I just don't know them, or if there was any offer. But BoZ sure knows.

I read somewhere ...  But he reportedly declined ...  And Fizz said ... If accurate ...

Uh, not sure I could have qualified more or made my source and belief in it sound any vaguer.  I'll work on that in the future.
Really that's just a plain bad faith interp of what I wrote.
If the article I saw had definite info I would have searched for it and provided the link. 

My point was that the Knix concluded there was no benefit in playing DeAndre the last 7 games (maybe we could have won 18 games!).
If it's true the Knix offered to waive him, then they were solid with him.  Why he wouldn't want to leave and get onto a playoff team is unclear to me.  Which makes me wonder about the rumor/report.

If true, then it's pretty clear that DeAtheGiant just ain't in the Knix future plans.  But I guess 7 end-season DNP's underscored that as well.  I assume  because of his age, the promise of Mitch, wanting to use cap space elsewhere, the C glut, and the devaluing of big, slow C's.  And if the Knickers decided he wasn't in their plans, it makes sense they offered to set him free.
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Sure the Kant situation is somewhat different.  But it is a situation he opted into, when the Knix would most likely have preferred not paying him $18M.  Kant also made it pretty clear during the season that he was all about stats and his own value.  Which isn't exactly uncommon on a losing team with one year contracts.  But also a reason such teams fragment and lose.

Kant pretty quickly complained in the media, undermining a new coach of a young team.  And in the end, the Knix did him a solid and set him free.  I thought Kant and his agent could have handled things quieter behind the scenes and got the same result without adding controversy and distractions to the team.

[bodiddley]

I found it odd that many here jumped into DeAndre's corner and used that as a knock on Fizz.

That Berman article, complete with quotes from DeAndre, makes it clear that Fizz worked it out with Jordan who agreed to sit the last 7 games.

the Knicks coach said he would not have engineered this move to Robinson-Kornet unless Jordan gave the full stamp of approval.

It doesn't address whether the Knix offered to let him go, which is what I read somewhere or other.

DeAndre seems like a likeable guy.
Who was it who was really big on him early?  Klint, I'm pretty sure.
Which he caught flack for for a few years.

DeAndre was a 2nd rounder, #35 pick, so I bet he can identify with Mitch, a #36 pick 10 years later.  Really is there anyone else with a more similar profile upon entering the NBA?

Here's a fun article on Mitch from March:
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/03/07/mitchell-robinson-new-york-knicks-rookie-mysterious-shot-blocker
Good illustrative vid clips, though all against crummy teams.
Mitch hedging out on a G beyond the 3-point line than getting back to get a block on an F on the baseline is impressive.
Mitch blocking a step-back 3 is kind of crazy.

In just 918 minutes, Robinson has blocked more total three-point attempts this season than any other player—and, for that matter, than half the NBA’s teams.

That was from early March.
I guessed earlier that Mitch might have led the league in blocked 3-pointers.  Who else even does it?  I couldn't get their stat-link to open, and not sure where to find blocked 3's elsewhere.

[bodiddley]

Fiz:  "We laid down our culture"

Basically just a throwaway line at the end of a longer spiel about other matters (FA, draft and yute).  But that's Fizz.  He's an optimist, a PR-speak guy and a bit of a BSer.  Which put me on guard against him when we first hired him.

[kiidcarter8]

No - are you saying Mitch is the superior player to Jordan over the next season?

[kiidcarter8]

Unfair re:  Kanter

Enes knows - and its true - that our chances to win games was greater with him getting big minutes.

So no... It wasn't all about "his stats".

I would say Kanter hated to lose MORE than the next guy.

[elephant]

Fiz:  "We laid down our culture"

Basically just a throwaway line at the end of a longer spiel about other matters (FA, draft and yute).  But that's Fizz.  He's an optimist, a PR-speak guy and a bit of a BSer.  Which put me on guard against him when we first hired him.

Yeah, now, if he can only show signs of being a good coach. I really loved this guy earlier in the season, his energy and pluck. Thought it was refreshing. But after awhile, it just seemed mystifying what they worked on in practices. Yes, most teams had more talent than we did. But it felt like we were outcoached every game. That he failed to put the players in a position to win. That kind of tanking is dismal.

For what it's worth, I thought DeAndre showed us he could still play at a very high level. I know the money might not work out, but I'd love to have him stay here with Mitch.

[elephant]

Unfair re:  Kanter

Enes knows - and its true - that our chances to win games was greater with him getting big minutes.

So no... It wasn't all about "his stats".

I would say Kanter hated to lose MORE than the next guy.

That's a great way of putting it.

[bodiddley]

No - are you saying Mitch is the superior player to Jordan over the next season?

Not at all.  Maybe in 2 or 3 years they will be even, as DeAtheG declines and Mitch develops. 

All about the money:
Mitch is cheap.
You can pick up a decent quality C cost-effectively. 
The C position isn't as important as before. 
We want to spend on s*t*a*r*s.

If DeAndre would come back for $5M, I assume Knix would be thrilled.  Great mentor for Mitch.
The longshot is that Durant comes, leading to Kyrie or Kemba joining ... then DeAndre decides to sign a cheap one year deal to play on a suddenly very interesting NY team.  Dredge up another starter, add in the draft pick, cash in some of our yute.
See if Fizz can coach . . .
(he'll probably look better with genuine NBA talent ...)

[kiidcarter8]

Fiz:  "We laid down our culture"

Basically just a throwaway line at the end of a longer spiel about other matters (FA, draft and yute).  But that's Fizz.  He's an optimist, a PR-speak guy and a bit of a BSer.  Which put me on guard against him when we first hired him.

Yeah, now, if he can only show signs of being a good coach. I really loved this guy earlier in the season, his energy and pluck. Thought it was refreshing. But after awhile, it just seemed mystifying what they worked on in practices. Yes, most teams had more talent than we did. But it felt like we were outcoached every game. That he failed to put the players in a position to win. That kind of tanking is dismal.

For what it's worth, I thought DeAndre showed us he could still play at a very high level. I know the money might not work out, but I'd love to have him stay here with Mitch.

Yes

All of it.

Good post.

[bodiddley]

I would say Kanter hated to lose MORE than the next guy.

I'd say Kant hated to lose out on a big contract next year.
If he was so much about winning he wouldn't have opted into the Knix, and would have gone to a better team, one that was trying and capable of winning.
He wanted to put up all-star stats, according to him.

[thebizneverloses]

I thought Kant and his agent could have handled things quieter behind the scenes and got the same result without adding controversy and distractions to the team.

I would agree with this.

I would say Kanter hated to lose MORE than the next guy.

I'd say Kant hated to lose out on a big contract next year.
If he was so much about winning he wouldn't have opted into the Knix, and would have gone to a better team, one that was trying and capable of winning.
He wanted to put up all-star stats, according to him.

But this I think is unfair. He wasn't getting $18m any other way. He had to opt in, it made no sense not to. Once he opted in, I thought he came ready to play his game, and he did effectively. Problem was he wasn't a great team player, however - he needed Hezonja to tell him to cheer, he made his DNPs too much of a story, he was unable to adjust his game at all (although he is passing more/better in Portland, it seems). Both the Knicks and Kanter were put in a tough position, Kanter could have handled it better, and he's playing great in Portland now. I'm happy for him and I'm cheering for him.