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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

It's a star driven league yes. 
That doesn't mean it wants all their stars in the small markets.
For the good of the league.... they want the Bell-Cow markets to succeed.

Its why you expand into New Orleans and don't start your league there.

[bankshot1]

So you don't think the NBA revival in the early 80s had anything to do with the fact you had Boston and LA year after year after year?

If Adam Silver had a wishlist going into last night, he got all his wishes granted.

I think that having 2 super teams with a history, packed with great players, playing stupendous basketball, coming off a difficult period (late 70s-coke) and also having a white/black element to it, had a lot to do with ithe NBA revival of the early 80s.

[bankshot1]

It's a star driven league yes. 
That doesn't mean it wants all their stars in the small markets.
For the good of the league.... they want the Bell-Cow markets to succeed.

Its why you expand into New Orleans and don't start your league there.

How many strawmen can you erect?

Yes having good teams in several cities is good for competition and for the consumer.

But your argument was the NBA needs the Knicks to be a powerhouse.

They don't.

[bodiddley]

The NBA doesn't need the Knix to be strong.  And they've done quite well with a star-driven more than team-driven model.

But I agree with Kam that if the Knix become highly competitive, that could turbo-charge the NBA.  GS-CLE was a fun rivalry, but a LA-NY rivalry would be magnify the hype and interest greatly. 
If the NBA has LAL, NYK, CHI and BOS all winning and competing, things would go to the next level.

With that said, these conspiracy theories are highly unpersuasive.  The #3 pick isn't changing the Knickers into a contender or luring KD & KI.  Likely a couple players take below #3 will turn out better.  Zion might or might not be such a franchise player.

[Kam]

It's a star driven league yes. 
That doesn't mean it wants all their stars in the small markets.
For the good of the league.... they want the Bell-Cow markets to succeed.

Its why you expand into New Orleans and don't start your league there.

How many strawmen can you erect?

Yes having good teams in several cities is good for competition and for the consumer.

But your argument was the NBA needs the Knicks to be a powerhouse.

They don't.

Not a strawman. You're thinking about league survival. I'm saying... for the league to be in its best incarnation ESPECIALLY as it relates to how much ABC can charge for AD time.... you want the Knicks vs the Lakers every year.
With Chicago and Houston in the Conference Finals respectively.  So ABC charges more.  So the NBA charges more.  So the avg annual NBA contract rises more. etc.

Adam Silver wants the small markets to SURVIVE. But he wants the BIG markets to THRIVE.  Don't pretend otherwise.

[bankshot1]

It's a star driven league yes. 
That doesn't mean it wants all their stars in the small markets.
For the good of the league.... they want the Bell-Cow markets to succeed.

Its why you expand into New Orleans and don't start your league there.

How many strawmen can you erect?

Yes having good teams in several cities is good for competition and for the consumer.

But your argument was the NBA needs the Knicks to be a powerhouse.

They don't.

Not a strawman. You're thinking about league survival. I'm saying... for the league to be in its best incarnation ESPECIALLY as it relates to how much ABC can charge for AD time.... you want the Knicks vs the Lakers every year.
With Chicago and Houston in the Conference Finals respectively.  So ABC charges more.  So the NBA charges more.  So the avg annual NBA contract rises more. etc.

Adam Silver wants the small markets to SURVIVE. But he wants the BIG markets to THRIVE.  Don't pretend otherwise.

Again more strawmen.

And you've changed the argument and now changed my argument.

No one said the NBA doesn't want robust big markets.

I specifically said the NBA need strong competition in several markets to attract consumers.

And I disagreed with your opinion that the NBA needs the Knicks to be a powerhouse to continue to grow.

The NBA rate of revenue growth has surged during the time period when, the powers of the league were in Cleveland, San Antonio, Oakland, and not the coastal mega markets of LA and NYC.

[url]http://fortune.com/2018/05/26/nfl-vs-nba-americas-biggest-sport]http://fortune.com/2018/05/26/nfl-vs-nba-americas-biggest-sport][url]http://fortune.com/2018/05/26/nfl-vs-nba-americas-biggest-sport[/url]

" Overall revenues might be a better metric, and though that’s still somewhat opaque, it’s where the NFL’s weakness is most obvious. NFL revenue grew an estimated $900 million to $14 billion in 2017, or just short of 7% growth. Forbes, meanwhile, reports the most recent NBA season generated $7.4 billion for teams, up a staggering 25% from the year before.

That suggests the NBA is growing more than three times as fast as the NFL – and that could have startling impacts in just a few years. Using the most basic sort of growth calculation, current trends point to NFL revenues of around $28 billion by 2029 – about in line with a goal of $25 billion by 2027 Commissioner Roger Goodell set a little over a decade ago.

But the same calculations using the most recent growth numbers suggest that by 2029, NBA revenues will be – brace yourself – over $68 billion."

Kam-The NBA appears to be doing fine without Dolan's Dunkers dominating.

As already posted the next revenue bonanza might come from legal wagering or maybe international expansion.

[Kam]

We shall see.

[kiidcarter8]

Celtics will keep not making Finals.  This is good for the league as well.

heh

[carlos123]

Celtics will keep not making Finals.  This is good for the league as well.

heh

You sayin this just to make Bank happy 😊

[bankshot1]

Celtics will keep not making Finals.  This is good for the league as well.

heh

You sayin this just to make Bank happy 😊

Carlos

our mutual firiend says so many childish things at this point I shrug my shoulders.

whaddyagonnado?

Celts not making the Finals this year may be the answer to a trivia question in the making.

[kiidcarter8]

9th straight year

30th out of 32.

Go, Celts!!!!

[bodiddley]

TOR let a winnable game slip away.
Down 101-100 at the 2:20 mark.
Thereafter, Kawhi missed a long 3
Lopez knocks down a long 3.  104-100.
Kawhi gets blocked on a slow-motion paint adventure.
Raps waste time by letting Anti-Greek get a rebound over Siakim

Green misses an open wing 3.
Lowry rushes a long 3 off the rebound. 
It was a 4 point game with 1:09 left and 14 on the reset shot clock.  Lowry should have run a play for a better shot.  hate to give him a hard time since he was the Rap doing much in the 4Q.

Under 1 minute, I didn't see anyone touch Bledsoe, but maybe there was something and not just the phantom foul it looked like.
Last chance and Gasol misses a tentative J.
Down 8 with 29 ticks left and I would jack the first available 3.  TOR runs a play that ends with Lowry getting blocked on a feeble 2.

Down the stretch, TOR decided to die with the 3.  Green's shot was open.  Kawhi and Lowry both took long 3's, and Lowry's was rushed.  Blech.  I guess that's the new NBA.  7' Lopez makes his 3, TOR misses three 3's.  Game.

Lopez was the hero.  And made funny faces.

[kiidcarter8]

Thanks for the recap.  Heard Lopez was fantastic.

[kiidcarter8]

I would say, if I had critiqued Harden - didn't Kawhi disappear late?  Always have to realize the flow of the game and what the defense is allowing.  Poor game for Giannis relative to his norm but I am sure he had his team's d in order late.

[kiidcarter8]

And this wouldn't have been untrue had they lost.

Go, NBA!