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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[bankshot1]

Done deal.

6:00 tomorrow.

That's great for Celtics. Much better for them than prima-donna KI. Congrats Bank!

If its a done deal, its a decent recovery from KI's departure.

IMO Celts will miss Al's 2-way game and attitude. And he won't be easily replaced.

With Al and Baynes gone they need some interior redecoration.

Another key will be whether Gordo can play like the Gordo used to play.   

[kiidcarter8]

Vucevic to get 4-100 from Magic.  Nice.

[carlos123]

I don't think we are adding a point guard, 'los.

That’s cool. Certainly much better than getting KI.

[thebizneverloses]

Done deal.

6:00 tomorrow.

That's great for Celtics. Much better for them than prima-donna KI. Congrats Bank!

If its a done deal, its a decent recovery from KI's departure.

IMO Celts will miss Al's 2-way game and attitude. And he won't be easily replaced.

With Al and Baynes gone they need some interior redecoration.

Another key will be whether Gordo can play like the Gordo used to play.

Horford is not 100% gone - Celtics can operate as an above-the-cap team if there is a sign-and-trade for Kemba as well as one for Rozier. Kevin O'Connor mused about the mystery team for Horford being Boston. They'd have a full mid-level exception too, although the hard cap probably precludes using all of it.

Basically, if they keep Horford and replace Kyrie with Kemba, I think they are the slight faves to come out of the East, even if Milwaukee, Toronto and Philadelphia can all bring back the band. And if Horford leaves, and they don't get to operate as an above the cap team, then they've got major issues with their big rotation. They'd have about ~4.5m to throw at a Robin Lopez type to start at the 5, and they'd be looking at minimum guys to toggle with Grant Williams and small-ball Jayson Tatum for the 4. That's not a contending team's power rotation. And if Horford, say, goes to Brooklyn and Jimmy Butler ends up in Miami? Then Boston ends up as one of the lower seeds in the East.

So, there's a lot riding for the Celtics on Al Horford right now.

[bodiddley]

Agree.  Horford did some heroic work for BOS.  He'll be missed.

Glad we're not investing $25M per on Vuc.  Surprised he cashed in that well.  ORL an odd team putting together it's frontcourt first. 
Doesn't the guy they drafted play Isaac's position?

As for Los Knickers, I'd add a Point and a vet F.

[bankshot1]

Done deal.

6:00 tomorrow.

That's great for Celtics. Much better for them than prima-donna KI. Congrats Bank!

If its a done deal, its a decent recovery from KI's departure.

IMO Celts will miss Al's 2-way game and attitude. And he won't be easily replaced.

With Al and Baynes gone they need some interior redecoration.

Another key will be whether Gordo can play like the Gordo used to play.

Horford is not 100% gone - Celtics can operate as an above-the-cap team if there is a sign-and-trade for Kemba as well as one for Rozier. Kevin O'Connor mused about the mystery team for Horford being Boston. They'd have a full mid-level exception too, although the hard cap probably precludes using all of it.

Basically, if they keep Horford and replace Kyrie with Kemba, I think they are the slight faves to come out of the East, even if Milwaukee, Toronto and Philadelphia can all bring back the band. And if Horford leaves, and they don't get to operate as an above the cap team, then they've got major issues with their big rotation. They'd have about ~4.5m to throw at a Robin Lopez type to start at the 5, and they'd be looking at minimum guys to toggle with Grant Williams and small-ball Jayson Tatum for the 4. That's not a contending team's power rotation. And if Horford, say, goes to Brooklyn and Jimmy Butler ends up in Miami? Then Boston ends up as one of the lower seeds in the East.

So, there's a lot riding for the Celtics on Al Horford right now.

I am totally lost when it comes to the Byzantine world of the NBA cap, but the way I've read it is that to sign Kemba (non S&T) there is no cap room for Al. And I'm pretty sure that the Celts rescinded the QO for Rozier to free up Kemba $$$.

I think the Celts were at 3/85-ish for Al and he wanted 4-something.

Al's good both ends of the cort and will be missed.

So as best I can figure it, Al will end up somehow with the Lakers.

Maybe you guys get Rozier. Who if he plays under control can do good things, not great, but good.

maybe KI can team up with Jimmer in China.

They'd be awesome together.

[bodiddley]

You can go over the cap to re-sign your own guys (as long as you have Bird Rights on him).  So I'm assuming BOS can simply sign Kemba using space and then go over the cap to re-sign AL.  Haven't looked into BOS situation specifically, but that's my general understanding.  Whether that'd put them into lux tax is another issue. 

[bankshot1]

I understand (most) of that stuff, its the list of exemptions and exceptions that I find hard to keep track of.

Just heard a rumor (Woj) of a 3-team daisy chain S&T

Celts-KI to Nets (plus a pick probably)

Hornets-Kemba to Celts

Celts-Rozier to Hornets

Al resigns with Boston under Bird rights.

we'll see
 

[thebizneverloses]

You can go over the cap to re-sign your own guys (as long as you have Bird Rights on him).  So I'm assuming BOS can simply sign Kemba using space and then go over the cap to re-sign AL.  Haven't looked into BOS situation specifically, but that's my general understanding.  Whether that'd put them into lux tax is another issue.

It's more complicated. They have to renounce their rights to Horford and Morris to get far enough under the cap to sign Kemba. Your unsigned players always have cap holds that count against your projected space.

But if they sign and trade Kyrie to the Nets and at the same time Rozier to the Hornets, and the Hornets sign and trade Kemba to Boston, Boston does this all without having to renounce Horford or Morris. It would be huge for Boston. It's good for Charlotte, since they can make a more competitive offer to Rozier.

There are three problems:

1. Rozier may find a richer offer than the Hornets wish to pay (presumably from Phoenix, who are the most logical destination for him)
2. All three teams would be hard-capped and could not enter the luxury tax this year, which isn't that big of a deal in the short term but limits trade options later in the year.
3. The Nets really have to ask themselves what Boston can provide as a sweetener (a first round pick? Maybe more?) that would make it worth their while to help Boston be better than them. The Nets should be trying to sign Horford outright if they don't get Durant, not helping Boston be a great team.

I'd say the first two are pretty manageable issues, but the third is not. I wouldn't help Boston were I the Nets.

[PrezIke]

"Manhattan keeps on makin' it, Brooklyn keeps on takin' it..."

[Kam]

Gets a big raise.   4 yrs for 52.

[bodiddley]

I was going to mention Al's cap hold.
Not surprised they can't sign Kemba with the cap hold in place.

[Kam]

Kyrie brainwashed him

[bodiddley]

Folks laughed when I said the Nets were a better destination than Knix.

And that BKY could get Durant (pre- and post-injury).

[FWK00]

I could not be more relieved.

Good on our FO.

ESPN just keeps kicking the Knicks in the nuts with the phony culture argument.