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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[thebizneverloses]

Portis: “I knew what was gonna happen in Feb. We all knew that [KD & Kyrie would go to Brooklyn]. Everybody knew that. I just don’t think the media knew that. Us basketball players, we all knew that.”

[bodiddley]

Lowry was very up and down in the playoffs.
A poor series v. PHI.  Pretty good v. MIL.
Up and down v GS.
7 pts in G1 of the Finals.
Fouled out of G2 with 2 assists.
G4 shot poorly and scored 10 points.
Good in G3 & a big G6.
Okay in G5.
he was oddly foul prone in the series as well.

After Kawhi, Siakim and FVV had as much to do with getting the title as Lowry.

[thebizneverloses]

Lowry had a great finals - that alone makes a mockery of your statement. He was not poor against Philly, overall, either. The stats don't really reflect how well he played, in particular his floor game and when he chose to attack.

Gasol was incredible defending Vooch and Embiid, and his passing unlocked so much for them offensively.

Also, the intelligence of both guys was so instrumental to the junky defensive schemes that were so decisive against Milwaukee and Golden State (rather differing schemes too). You dismissing them as "broken" and "regular season" guys suggests you're box score hunting.

Both are aging, both are being paid more than they would get on the open market today. But they were really good in the playoffs, and they're both going to be important parts to Toronto's 47 win, 4th or 5th seed season which is coming up. (Obviously health determines so much)

[bodiddley]

Lowry had a great finals - that alone makes a mockery of your statement.

We watched different Finals apparently.  Disagree with that assertion.

I saw Lowry scratch and claw and foul and come up big finally in G6, particularly the 1Q.  Lowry had a very up and down Finals.

Hell, i think he only had 5 points in the 2nd half of G6.

Don't discount the first 2 games.
And he couldn't hit a 3 in G4 & G5.
But fortunately Fred came out of his funk to salvage things.

Lowry has a long history of poor playoff performance.
This year he was up and down.
And didn't exceed his reg season output.
And he's aging.

Without an other-worldly, possibly best-in-the-League playoff performance by Kawhi, TOR would have been knocked out in the early rounds.  And now they don't have Kawhi.  You can't count on Lowry to get you far in the playoffs.  And that's where they'll be this year without a major shakeup.

[kiidcarter8]

Who liked Stanley Johnson?  He is with the Raptors now.

[kiidcarter8]

Last three years in playoffs Lowry shoots 46/38/81

15.7 points
6.9 assists
4.4 rebounds
1.4 steals
.144 wins shares per 48
16.5 PER

[kiidcarter8]

I think Toronto has the 9 mil exception and a total in trade exceptions of another 9 or so.

[facilitatorn]

I’m just glad we got our work done early and no one seems to be backing out.

[Kam]

Can handle, pass, and create his own lanes to score.   Strong.  Finishes with either hand.  Showed clutch gene tonight. Looks like a "more in-control Mindaugas Kuzminskas"  in my early assessment.  Another Lithuanian and former Knick. Iggy was drafted #47, after the Knicks sent #55 and a million cash to the Kings.  #55 was originally acquired from HOU for Pablo Prigioni.  Pablo + $1 mil = Iggy

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Wooten is intriguing as a "Mitch Robinson - lite"

Mitch Robinson looked like "Mitch Robinson - XL"

Kevin Knox is looking more or less the same.   
It's like he fancies himself as a Baby Klay Thompson on offense. 
That shot better stay pure to justify his usage and shot selection and lack of other impact.

RJ looks as-advertised.   
The game hasn't slowed down for him yet.  Lotta big apple turnovers.
But he doesn't lack confidence and a jumper with a nice arc on it.

I'm coming away with the idea that Kadeem Allen isn't the answer. 
Allowing Justin Harper to go off and not dominating offensively.

[Kam]

1-6 may be different but these would be the teams in some order.  Who would be 7 and 8?


1.Houston
2.Los Angeles L
3.Golden State
4.Los Angeles C
5.Denver
6.Utah
7.
8.

[facilitatorn]

You think Portland and the Spurs drop out? Do the Mavs take one of their spots?

I liked the little we saw of Hinton.

Braz is kind of exciting. He’s a real wing with tools and good strength.

RJ has so much work to do.

Knox and Mitch look like themselves but more so.

[Kam]

You think Portland and the Spurs drop out? Do the Mavs take one of their spots?

Portland added Whiteside and re-signed Rodney Hood.   Does that improve them?  They're topped out in NBA never never land.  Not good enough to win the West and everyone else got better.   The Spurs and Blazers may end up 7 and 8 indeed but had uninspiring offseasons relative to the rest of the beefed up west.   Maybe Houston implodes but they have the most continuity.
Memphis is my dark horse to sneak into the playoffs.

[thebizneverloses]

Who liked Stanley Johnson?  He is with the Raptors now.

I predicted $2m. Bo thought $6-7. He got pretty much right in between.

He'll be fighting RHJ and Terrence Davis for minutes at the back-up 3 and small-ball 4. Good spot for him to get on track.

[bodiddley]

Just a $3.7M contract, but he did get a player opt on Y2.
Must be somewhat disappointing for him, but gets to a good team.
TOR would be a nice re-start for StanJohn if they didn't sign RHJ the next day.  Both wing defenders who can't shoot outside.
RHJ more of a combo F; Stan a wing combo.

Since TOR has Norm Powell and McCaw at SG, I guess StanJohn mostly backs up their F's.  Stan is a talented defender, a good cutter, has added some slashing attacks, terrific on the break.  But it's such a shooters league now that you can't get by if you can't pop in an open J.  He also is turnover prone trying to do too much.

Here's a good breakdown of his game:
https://raptorsrapture.com/2019/07/07/toronto-raptors-stanley-johnson/

I didn't realize rim finishing was a problem, but I think it's because he'll force the action ad go up against 2 or 3 guys.  he never pays attention to the help defender, and has no pass-off backup plan.  Maybe just young, but a flaw in his O awareness.

Fwiw, Stan just turned 23.  Still time to up his game and improve his shot.  And decision-making.  StanJohn gives honest effort on both ends, just his O isn't there, and really he should try to do less.

I've been hesitant to say this, but if you look at R&B Jr. his body and physical profile looks a lot like Stan John.  RJB is going to need to develop a 3.  And learn to play attentive D.

[kiidcarter8]

1-6 may be different but these would be the teams in some order.  Who would be 7 and 8?


1.Houston
2.Los Angeles L
3.Golden State
4.Los Angeles C
5.Denver
6.Utah
7.
8.

heh

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