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1 (33.3%)

Celtics

2 (66.7%)

Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

It has begun.

[bodiddley]

Real quickly, like 3 mins and without looking at rosters, or checking anything, I'm going to Bold my Over predictions; Italicize my Unders and Underline my Evens:

Milwaukee Bucks 57
LA Clippers 55½
Philadelphia 76ers 54½
Utah Jazz 52½
Houston Rockets 52
Denver Nuggets 52
Los Angeles Lakers 51½

Indiana Pacers 48½
Boston Celtics 49½
Portland Trail Blazers 47½
Golden State Warriors 47
Brooklyn Nets 47
Toronto Raptors 45
San Antonio Spurs 43½
Miami Heat 43½

Dallas Mavericks 41
Orlando Magic 40½
New Orleans Pelicans 39
Detroit Pistons 37½
Sacramento Kings 37
Atlanta Hawks 36
Minnesota Timberwolves 35
Chicago Bulls 30½

Washington Wizards 28½
Oklahoma City Thunder 28
New York Knicks 27
Phoenix Suns 27
Memphis Grizzlies 25½
Cleveland Cavaliers 24
Charlotte Hornets 24

15 Unders; 10 Overs; 5 Pushes

Hard to predict the bottom-dwellers.
OKC should win more than 28 with CP3; but likely they find a new home for him, in which case they're sub-28.  Maybe Paul for 1/2 a season gets them exactly 28.

I can see LAC jumping out to a fast start, overwhelming teams with D and athleticism.  Until guys start missing games (Pa Bev; maybe one of the two new stars), and teams start figuring them out some.

I go over on the good continuity teams ie DEN, UTA, POR.

[PrezIke]

Random Knick fan moment abroad:

I'm in the Philippines right now, turn on the TV in my hotel room...one game on... Senator Manny Pacquiao in the audience, goes to time out...turn to another game on ESPN5...happens to be game 1 of the semi-finals, between San Miguel and Rain or Shine...

I notice someone who looks AWFULLY familiar gliding down the court...in dreads....

Renaldo Balkman!

Last play he just swooped past the entire defense and flew up for a high off the glass layup in traffic. Still got the hops, that's for sure.

Also, former Net 1st round pick Chris McCullough also in action...Guess bo knows him from China. Just joined apparently last month.

That's a lot of NYers in one game here!

[kiidcarter8]

Washington got the third best guy on that team. What order did they get picked in?

Hachimura was FIRST.  He was selected a full FOUR spots later than was projected at an earlier time in some mocks, which I was told were "way, wayyyyy off".

If you actually SEE a guy play more than just one-two tourney games, it helps generate an opinion.  Advice for future like situations.

[kiidcarter8]

I'll play



Ceasers Palace Sportsbook put out its win totals for next season.


Milwaukee Bucks 57   over
LA Clippers 55½       under
Philadelphia 76ers 54½    over
Utah Jazz 52½      under
Houston Rockets 52       over
Denver Nuggets 52      over
Los Angeles Lakers 51½       over

Indiana Pacers 48½        under
Boston Celtics 49½      under
Portland Trail Blazers 47½        over
Golden State Warriors 47      under
Brooklyn Nets 47      under
Toronto Raptors 45     over
San Antonio Spurs 43½      over
Miami Heat 43½         over

Dallas Mavericks 41        over
Orlando Magic 40½      over
New Orleans Pelicans 39       over
Detroit Pistons 37½      under
Sacramento Kings 37     over
Atlanta Hawks 36        over
Minnesota Timberwolves 35      over
Chicago Bulls 30½       under

Washington Wizards 28½      under
Oklahoma City Thunder 28       under
New York Knicks 27      under
Phoenix Suns 27        under
Memphis Grizzlies 25½       under
Cleveland Cavaliers 24       over
Charlotte Hornets 24      over

[carlos123]

It has begun.

Nice! 👍

[facilitatorn]

Washington got the third best guy on that team. What order did they get picked in?

Hachimura was FIRST.  He was selected a full FOUR spots later than was projected at an earlier time in some mocks, which I was told were "way, wayyyyy off".

If you actually SEE a guy play more than just one-two tourney games, it helps generate an opinion.  Advice for future like situations.

I’ve seen him plenty. He was the third best player on his college team and he’ll make the third best pro from that group. He’s quick and consistent while also being basic and predictable. He’s going to be a Jeff Green/Marvin Williams type if he can develop his D. He may just be a very low rent Harrison Barnes.

There will be a Zag on the all rookie team. That Zag won’t be Rui.

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Good to hear Balkman is still at it.

[facilitatorn]

http://nypost.com/2019/07/27/bobby-portis-eyes-sixth-man-of-the-year-as-knicks-bench-leader/

First up: Robinson & Randle

In relief: Portis & Gibson

In the East Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit and Indiana have a stronger frontcourt. With DJ & Allen, possibly so do the Nyets, though who is their depth? Orlando and Toronto are par. Possibly so is Chicago.

We should be at least middle of the pack in terms of our front line.

[Kam]

http://nypost.com/2019/07/27/bobby-portis-eyes-sixth-man-of-the-year-as-knicks-bench-leader/

First up: Robinson & Randle

In relief: Portis & Gibson

Starters:
Robinson
Randle

Question marks everywhere else

I would like to see:

Robinson
Randle
Morris
RJ
DSJ

and occasionally that same group with Trier and Payton in the backcourt instead or RJ and DSJ.


Knox, Portis, Gibson, Frank (to showcase)  off the bench.  That's 11 guys.


Ellington the invisible man.

Bullock in bandages.

Bradzeikis in Westchester.

Does Dotson have a role?  Trade Knox and play Dotson? 

[facilitatorn]

 That could very well be how it shakes out.

[facilitatorn]

I like the idea of pairing DSJ & Payton in a two more than nominal pg lineup.

I like the idea of playing RJ and Trier together because 6’7” & 6’5”, Trier ability off the cut and his nearly .400 3pt clip on a miserable team in real minutes, and the fact that Trier & Barrett will get into the bodies of every player the opponent puts on the floor. It what they do.

Payton & RJ (my current lean to start pairing) and DSJ & Trier as the uptempo relief bench that’s popular these days. Put your most accomplished table setter with your high ability high expectation rookie. DSJ & Trier can fend for themselves and together are a handful.

I’ll talk about Frank after the Worlds get going.

It may all come down to defense.

[chipstern]

Never understood the logic behind trading Lucas for Truck, save perhaps the Knicks thought they were getting a mega-scorer to pin next to Mister Bill. 

Truck averaged like 19 a game the previous season for Phoenix.  Enjoyed a precipitous decline for the Knicks, even though our record improved.  Truck was an undersized PF at 6'7" whereas Maurice was a formidable physical presence at 6'9". 

We should be so lucky if Julius Randle invokes that lineage. 

PS: Remains to be seen how Brazdeikis evolves playing against our vets in practice, and against the reall big boys in the fall, but his overall game suggests everything the Knicks were hoping Herzonja would give us, save that Iggy drains his threes and finishes his drives to the hoop. 

PPS: Trade Kevin Knox?  There's a bright idea. 

[chipstern]

Robinson-Randle-Morris-Barrett-Payton

Portis-Gibson-Knox-Trier-Smith

Be interesting to see if Brazdeikis can make a case for rotation time.  I surely liked what I saw of him.  Nice skill set and aggression. 

Portis/Gibson could certainly split time at the 5.  Knox and Iggy looked plausible up front in summer league. 

I have not a clue how the backcourt situation sorts itself out. 

Dotson and Ntilikina both coming off of rehab.  Bullock could be out until February.

Ellington surely merits some face time. 

Barrett and Trier represents an interesting training camp competition.  So does Smith and Payton.  Likewise Morris and Knox. 

Looking at film of Payton and Randle from last year, they had a very nice chemistry for the Pelicans. 

How Fizdale sorts this all out is anyone's guess. 

Sixteen wins...Twenty-Seven Wins...HOW MANY WINS? 

[bodiddley]

Mo Luke The Enforcer:
https://twitter.com/ballislife/status/1097545027104862208?lang=en

Some crazy stuff.
Check out the vid before reading my synopsis below.
Great NBA theater.

So:
Darryl Dawkins obliterates a guy ripping a rebound away. 
The guy (Bobby Gross) gets up mad, but Dawkins is up quickly, meanly, and is huge.  So the Blazer guy points his finger and says something.
Dawkins gets angry, runs by and throws a cheap shot that hits Doug Collins, his teammate in the head.  Collins had been semi-restraining Gross.  Collins needs 4 stitches.

Dawkins backs up towards halfcourt, without noticing anyone is there.  Mo Lucas gives Dawkins a forearm shiver to the back of the neck that sends Choc Thunder flying.

So Lucas and Dawkins square off in boxing stances center court.
You gotta be pretty tough to go toe-to-toe with Darryl Dawkins.
Everybody gets on the floor to break things up.
Blazer coach Jack Ramsey tries to keep Dawkins back.
Lotta guys from both teams restraining Lucas.
Lots of ushers on the court.  Also fans wandering around and getting involved.  It's Philly in '77.

Did I mention this is G2 of the NBA Finals?
PHI wins to go up 2-0, but then loses 4 straight.
As this tweet says, many thought Mo Luke standing up for his mate turned the tide and gave POR the pride.
'6ers had a better team on paper.
Bob Gross was POR's 3rd best player in the Finals after Walton and Lucas.

Couple interesting sidenotes:
-The call on the floor was a jump ball after Dawkins body slammed Gross. It was a good hustle play by Dawk, to get back, contest the shot and fight for the board. 
- Herm Gilliam, who missed the shot, comes down limping, and the melee gets underway around him while he's hobbling on one leg.
- As Dawkins and Lucas square off, one official almost gets between them then (probably wisely) backs away
- Lucas is the only one to get off a punch or two
- The fans on the court is wild as well.

The whole thing has shades of later Knickdom.  Jack Ramsey like JVG crazily trying to stop a very large enraged human from fighting, though Ramsey remains upright.  Dawkins suckerpunch and run away is not unlike Melo v. NYK.  And hitting your own guy is like Camby winding up and clocking his coach (JVG again). 

[kiidcarter8]

Randle's a better player than Lucas was.