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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7590 on: September 13, 2019, 04:32:48 AM »

Seems about right. Not Turner though?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7591 on: September 13, 2019, 10:58:30 AM »

France out. Frank reputedly best player on the floor for the Francs.


*** Luis Scola goes nuts. I want some of his brand of Geritol.

*** Found the highlights, here they are : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cakx36wH5CM&feature=youtu.be . What a waste every minute spent on "developing" Mudiay was (not even counting the cost of probably costing us Zion or Morant). If Fuckdale isn't fired by Jan 1 (as I fully expect), I really hope we trade Frank so he can move on and get started with what will likely be a fine career.
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« Reply #7592 on: September 13, 2019, 01:58:58 PM »

Franc was France's best player largely by default as no one else had a good game.  France couldn't make any 3's.  Fournier, DeColo, Batum & Franc all went 1-5 or 1-6 on 3's -- combined 4-22.  The other PG, shrimpy Albicy was another 1-5.  France was also just 13-25 on FT's.

Argentina tried hard to stay on Fournier and DeColo, somehow managing to guard outside and stop Gobert inside.  It was a very scrappy, disjointed, foulathon type game.  And neither team really had any rhythm. 

Argentina didn't worry much about Franc who opportunistically took advantage with some drives and J's.  You can see that on the very first French basket, where both defenders drop back on the Gobert screen and Franc takes and makes a wide open long J.  Unfortunately he was somewhat indecisive -- not planning to shoot -- so came in a little and took a 21 footer just inside the line.

Franc again looked good on D, very aware, switching, shadowing his man, negotiating screens.  On O, he was cautious but marginally more aggressive than usual.  Still just 1-5 on 3's.  And his passes are still remedial and dangerous.  On those rare Franc drives, he tends to go in and stop when a help defender comes over, then his passes out are terrible.  He had 2 TO's like that, another where it looked like another weak turnover, but a foul was called on his defender for hitting his passing hand.  Franc had another weak telegraphed pass nearly picked off.  And that was just where he picked up his dribble 28 feet out -- a Franc specialty -- and tried to pass to a Frenchie near the sideline 23' feet away.  The kind of pass that never should be stolen -- the Argentinian  stepped out as he caught it.

So a good game from Franc.  One diagonal drive he laid it in over a bigger guy.  Another he drove in for a lefty layup against a shrimpy Argie PG.
But there was still the issue of picking up his dribble a mile out.  Weak passes that were easy to read ... especially passing back out.  And he couldn't make 3's.
There's a languid smoothness to Franc's drives, without explosiveness.  But it was good to see him use his height on one drive and to shoot over a small PG another time.

I'm not too down on Franc.  But he's got a lot to work on.  Must improve those passes.  Make them crisper, quicker, and not so deliberate.  Sometimes he seems to put a hitch on his passes, seemingly trying to make sure they're safe, but conversely making them weaker and more obvious, slower and more easily stolen.  It'll be an improvement if Franc mixes in opportunistic drives and J's like he did this game when the defense is focused elsewhere.  Of course if he could make 3's that would be great, but he's a long way away from that ..
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7593 on: September 13, 2019, 02:06:45 PM »

It was a poor game from France.  But their best game by far was against the US. 

Scola has a fair amount of gray in his hair.  Played hard.  Had some trouble with Gobert's size down low.  Under 5 minutes with a 12 point or so lead, Scola popped in a pair of 3's.  28 & 13 (9/10FT's) in 34 mins. 
Outside of Scola, Argy was just 6-21 on 3's.

A choppy disjointed physical game.  Which suits Scola fine.
Scola played for Shanghai last year and I think is signed again for this season.  He's 39 and still a tough mofo.  First time I've seen him with short hair.  Almost a little George CLooney look to him ...

One of his teammates was sporting a serious mullet.
There wasn't much rock n' roll hair in this tourney.  Usually these Euro teams can be counted on for a few guys with 70's style big hair.  Maybe the ubiquitous side-shaving has cut into that.  Or rock has died even in Eastern Europe ...
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7594 on: September 13, 2019, 02:22:18 PM »

Gad, US still has another loser game to play to determine 7th or 8th.  v. Poland.  What's the point.  Maybe it matters for Olympic qualifying (for Poland in this case).

I'd be okay with Myles Turner getting rewarded with an Olympic spot.  But he's sort of a Har Barnes type.  Makes mistakes.  Up and down.  Turner gets uncertain on PnR coverage.  I'd rather a more steady C defender.  But there aren't too many good American C's anymore.  DeAndre.  Drummond.  Er ...  So maybe Anothny Davis and MyTurn.  Keep the young guy in the main pipeline.


Not sure why Lampe isn't on Poland's team.  He's played in China for years, so knows the culture.  And China was in Poland's group, and he knows the Chinese players and style.  Poland wound up beating China on OT.Gortat not on the team as well.

In China, Lampe is a good semi-dominant player, but lazy.
Often won't block out, slow about getting back on D, etc.
Talented guy with bad habits.  34 now, so maybe just aged out if the team.

Most interesting thing about Poland is Olek Balcerowski, an 18 year old 7'1" C.  And AJ Slaughter a black American naturalized Pole PG.
They also have a scrappy wing Politka who fouls like mad.


Spain-Australia played a 2OT game.
Wish I saw that instead of the Franc-Argy slog.
Ma Gasol 33; Pad Mills 34.  Rubio 19 / 12 / 7.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7595 on: September 14, 2019, 03:01:26 AM »

Interesting article on how HOU signed Nene to a $10M contract with only the vet min $2.54M guaranteed and a bunch of "likely" incentives topping up the rest.  Giving them a contract that could be used to trade for Iggy -- to save Memf money.  It allows them a couple months to see how the harden_Westbrook tandem works and if they are real contenders.  Interesting.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-rockets-manipulated-the-salary-cap-to-create-a-trade-asset-out-of-thin-air-become-favorites-for-andre-iguodala/
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7596 on: September 15, 2019, 03:46:27 AM »


US qualified for the Olympics, which was the main point of this tourney.



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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7597 on: September 15, 2019, 10:19:34 AM »

WC Final turned out to be a dud.
Spain was up by 9 after 1Q and double digits the rest of the way.
Mostly a 16-20 point lead, until ARG cut it to 12 twice mid-4Q when they went into furious trapping mode at times and forced turnovers.

Spain dominated inside on both ends.
Spain outrebounded ARG 47-27.
And outscored ARG 44-30 in the paint.
Gasol and Willy with 3 blocks each, and plenty of deterrence.
ARG defense was terrible on PnR's.

Rubio, 20 points, was aggressive, even getting called for two charges when he went through defenders.  FIBA calls it pretty tight on push-offs and off fouls in general.  Sometimes Rubio handled the traps with aplomb, other times he made lame turnovers.

Scola was out of gas.  1-10 FG.  0-5 on 3's.  Got stuffed by Gasol a few times.  Zero lift inside.  Ma Gasol bigger and equally crafty.

Juancho had a nice game, slipping under for easy baskets 3x in the 3Q.
Blocked a fastbreak layup.  Fouled out late.

ARG was the best team all tourney.  But they faded in the Final.  Partly due to Scola being spent.  And Spain's size.
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« Reply #7598 on: September 15, 2019, 05:30:31 PM »

Well let's hope he can build on that when he's done with Worlds and shows up in camp.

Still think, unlike most, that he's closer (though not in any way close) to being a starter on a winning team then our other PG candidates cause he can already fully bring it on the defensive end.

Didn't really see anybody playing meaningful minutes in last year's finals who couldn't.


*** 13 min game highlights here. https://youtu.be/EoZa1EOkWkY Most important, he's driving into the lane from the first quarter on doing good things.



Vis a Vis your comments about player development and wasted time on the Mudiay experiment, far be it from me to disdain your reasoned POV regarding Fizdale and what have you, but as for dropping the ball on Frank Ntilikina, you may or may not recollect, that having come back from an injury, and being once again proffered significant minutes in the rotation, Frank proceeded to get hurt again (a hammy was it not?) and was thenceforth missing in action for what, like 45 games. 

So not quite the sinister lack of consideration or Fizzdalian Fuckleness you suggested in your trademark understated manner. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7599 on: September 15, 2019, 07:41:57 PM »

"Spain over US or France"

- Kid8


OR ARGENTINA.......(had no idea they would get there)

A dud?  Really?  Give that nation its props.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7600 on: September 16, 2019, 12:54:51 AM »

Great tourney for ARG, but the Final wasn't competitive.

Czech was another surprise team.  They outplayed and outhustled Serbia the 1st half of the 5/6 consolation game, until Serbia dominated 4Q.  Czech has a Big that reminded me of Robin Lopez, Balvin a  7'1" C.  Turns 27 this week.  Unfortunately, there is a C glut in the NBA and the C position isn't as important as it used to be.  So no NBA for him.
Satoransky had a strong tourney.  And the Czech wings were solid.
Czech beat Brasil and Australia, two solid teams.
I'm sure no one picked Czech (6th) to finish ahead of the US (7th)

Poland was another surprise, but mostly they beat weak teams, for an 8th place finish.

The US and Serbia were favorites going into the WC, with Australia seen as having an outside chance.

World Cup has 32 teams.  Olympics just 12.  7 qualified in this tourney, japan is the host, so just 4 Olympic spots open.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7601 on: September 16, 2019, 02:33:10 AM »

I like that Hasheem Thabeet is working out with the Knicks. I hope he’s getting reps in with Mitch Robinson and Taj is giving Mitch tips on how to deal with Hasheem’s size.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7602 on: September 16, 2019, 01:10:53 PM »

Why?  Teams don't use size anymore.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7603 on: September 16, 2019, 02:00:44 PM »

Not in our division at least.

Gasol
Kanter
Embid & Harford
DJ & Allen

Kanter and possibly DJ will play less than half a game, but they’ll still play.

Just because they’re less important doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
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