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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

Because unlike Obama they are not following CDC protocols.

How’s that?

LOL. I do not have the time to further your ESL instruction, or to translate to your native tongue of utter gibberish.

There no guidelines that restrict
Sturgis.

[Yankguy1]

There no guidelines that restrict
Sturgis.

Our beloved teacher.

[Holly Martins]

Juan Cole with a useful Afghanistan post-mortem:
https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/washington-afghanistan-crashing.html

He equates the last 18+ years as a military/kleptocratic ponzi scheme.
He seems to underplay Pakistan's central role (and somewhat excuses it as a reaction to India gaining influence there).  But overall a good primer on who the key groups were, what went wrong, and why it slogged on for decades (it was too lucrative for all the elites involved.

The one sure thing everyone knew was that the Americans (and allies) were going to walk away one day.  Probably no one foresaw that being a full 20 years later.  But the locals know they can always wait out and outlast the occupiers (the locals largely have no where else to go).  Imagine being a 25 year old Afghani and all you've know your entire life is warfare and occupation and insecurity...

[kiidcarter8]

There is no defense of Sturgis.  It has been proven here that they have killed a good many people.

[bankshot1]

Red's equating Obama's birthday party, presumably with invited guests vetted for an ability to follow sensible health precautions versus about 650,000 or so bikers who proudly proclaim their disdain for regulations and common sense and promote their right to infect family friends and total strangers, versus our right to stay safe, and who kick-started last summer's deadly wave because they wanted to party like its 1999.

These stupid exhaust-inhaling motherfuckers provided the base for delta.

They were the mutant factory working 24-7 non-stop to infect us.

Dumb fucks.

Bur Red's ire is aimed at Obama blowing out 61 birthday candles.

Why?

Right, because Red's a partisan cock sucking troll who thinks he owns libs.

[Holly Martins]

There is no defense of Sturgis.  It has been proven here that they have killed a good many people.

We don't have good contact tracing in America,  and certainly not at motorcycle rallies.   So there's not proof of many infections from superspreader events, in terms of specific cases.   The evidence is statistical.   For example,  last year,  communities that had large representation at Sturgis then had surges of illness a few weeks later when bikers came home.   This is consistent with predictions of how spreader events will work.   

Kid,  epidemiology is not for amateurs.   As with brain surgery,  we defer to experts.   

[Holly Martins]

If Kid still has me on Iggy, could someone post that reply to him?   I really don't want him to stroll away thinking his quip about "proven here" to be clever... or informed.

[REDSTATEWARD]

There is no defense of Sturgis.  It has been proven here that they have killed a good many people.

We don't have good contact tracing in America,  and certainly not at motorcycle rallies.   So there's not proof of many infections from superspreader events, in terms of specific cases.   The evidence is statistical.   For example,  last year,  communities that had large representation at Sturgis then had surges of illness a few weeks later when bikers came home.   This is consistent with predictions of how spreader events will work.   

Kid,  epidemiology is not for amateurs.   As with brain surgery,  we defer to experts.

You must not have researched Sturgis.

[Hairy Lime]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/12/2045417/-WOW-FOX-News-Poll-Shows-the-Democrats-3-5-Trillion-Budget-Bill-is-Favored-By-a-WHOPPING-18-Points

OhThose Polls!

[Hairy Lime]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

Quit whining.

Funny how "blight" goes away once certain people come into the neighborhood and "gentrify" it.

When a neighborhood is diversified by an influx of nonwhite people, the newcomers’ incomes tend to be about average for that neighborhood. But when white people move into a mostly nonwhite neighborhood, their incomes tend to be much higher than the local average.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-poverty-gentrification-white-black-neighborhoods-20190507-story.html


And that's a bad thing for some because it indicates that poverty and education is the real problem, not what the fuck color your neighbor is. People who emphasize education and working hard to make money to care for themselves and their families have a real advantage in America. People who continue to blame history or society or systemic structures for their own lack of success don't do so well.

If "Negroes" are removed by gentrification, it is by their own doing.

Sweet baby Jesus not only are you a racist you are a classist. You think poor people don't work hard? Seriously? Have you any experience with what the working poor actually do? And you think they don't want better for their children? God what an asshole you are. I mean, even leaving aside the belief that blacks are poor because they are uppity, that is a pretty fucking ignorant world view.

[Hairy Lime]

Red's equating Obama's birthday party, presumably with invited guests vetted for an ability to follow sensible health precautions versus about 650,000 or so bikers who proudly proclaim their disdain for regulations and common sense and promote their right to infect family friends and total strangers, versus our right to stay safe, and who kick-started last summer's deadly wave because they wanted to party like its 1999.

These stupid exhaust-inhaling motherfuckers provided the base for delta.

They were the mutant factory working 24-7 non-stop to infect us.

Dumb fucks.

Bur Red's ire is aimed at Obama blowing out 61 birthday candles.

Why?

Right, because Red's a partisan cock sucking troll who thinks he owns libs.

They cut back the guest list to Obama’s party in response.to the COVID situation and followed CDC recommendations. Which the people Red.gets his opinion from know, but then they also know that people.like.Red will repeat it, and.keep repeating it regardless of the facts.

[Hairy Lime]

I have not had time to watch this, or work around the WaPo pay wall to read her oped, but it is.my fervent hope she found a way to blame DeSantis's Cult of Death prohibiting masks in schools to his vanity.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo118421061727

[Hairy Lime]

There is no defense of Sturgis.  It has been proven here that they have killed a good many people.

We don't have good contact tracing in America,  and certainly not at motorcycle rallies.   So there's not proof of many infections from superspreader events, in terms of specific cases.   The evidence is statistical.   For example,  last year,  communities that had large representation at Sturgis then had surges of illness a few weeks later when bikers came home.   This is consistent with predictions of how spreader events will work.   

Kid,  epidemiology is not for amateurs.   As with brain surgery,  we defer to experts.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html

"No bed shortage!" screams Kid!

Eight states, many of which have lagged the national average for vaccinations, have Covid-19 patients that account for at least 15% of their overall hospitalizations: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada and Texas, according to a CNN analysis of data from the US Department of Health and Human Services.

Of all Covid-19 hospitalizations, these eight states' combined totals make up approximately 51% of patients, though the states account for only around 24% of the nation's population, according to Census data.
"In the past week, Florida has had more Covid cases than all 30 states with the lowest case rates combined. And Florida and Texas alone have accounted for nearly 40% of new hospitalizations across the country," White House Covid-19 response coordinator Jeff Zients said Thursday during a White House briefing.

[josh]