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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

You have no idea what is or is not constitutional

You are a nasty fuckwad with an empty fat head.

[kidcarter8]

shhhh.....

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/14/2052149/--Worst-ever-outcomes-in-economic-mismanagement-in-Australia-hit-20-And-counting

It does not matter what side of the world you are on

Falling for conservative bullshit and ceding power to right wing lying bastard incompetents like Bush trump or Morrison rapidly destroys a nations economy and spreads misery throughout the land.

Kids party going all out to indiscriminately kill US citizens is just par for the right wing course

Unless racism is your number one value there is nothing so scary and vile a republican or similar right winger trying to rise to or cling to power. All they have is bad leadership no ideas and hearts full of hate. 

[facilitatorn]

shhhh.....

Is that the best you have got?

Why do you flail so vigorously to become an alabastard Tokyo Rose?

[Holly Martins]

I have to say, the mandate as it stands, essentially has opened the door to discrimination against about 80 to 100 million Americans who are naturally immune. I mean, these folks are essentially being discriminated against. The president of the United States pointed to them and opened the door to a massive level of discrimination.

Millions of Americans had natural immunity to smallpox, typhus, and polio.  But we didn't, as a nation, take that on faith, and instead had everyone get immunized.  Which is why we eradicated those diseases in North America.  Vaccines produce stronger and more reliable immunity than does natural infection.

Take me, for example.  I had covid last December.  But my "natural immunity" didn't mean I couldn't get it again, and thus be shedding viruses to others.  So I got the Moderna shots.  Now, if natural immunity were really a reliable thing, I wouldn't have felt ill effects from the Moderna shots, right?  Guess what, my second Moderna shot made me pretty sick.  Which means that the vaccine provides a different level of immunity and my immune system had to work hard to produce a new round of antibodies, memory cells, and so on.  I ached in every joint, was super tired, had swollen lymph nodes, and had about a degree of fever for two days.  When it was over, I thought, "Wow, if that was just the vaccine reaction, if that was my system reacting to a weakened piece of spike protein code, just imagine what another bout of actual covid would have been like!" 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/

[LarryBnDC]

The virus itself - plus the unvaccinated - are equally responsible.  Has nothing at all to do with party.

Sucker!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/14/covid-vaccines-kevin-mccarthy-tries-to-change-the-subject-to-taxes.html

[josh]

Yeah, so what if one party actively discouraged/discourages responsible measures.


CNN says.....

so must be true

heh

I've given you the direct quotes and even the videos.

But, as ever, you don't give a fuck about facts, just whatever serves you.

[LarryBnDC]

You know that each year some parents of school aged children opt out of vaccinations, right, Barton?

Yeah

Before Covid19 they blamed autism on Vaccines.

They are stupid

[facilitatorn]

Kid is busy burning Rome because he never had the talent or discipline to play fiddle

It is what these people do

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/14/2052192/-Republican-candidate-launches-site-claiming-fraud-in-California-election-before-the-election

[LarryBnDC]

STRONG SUGGESTION is good re:  vaccination

I think President Biden can do better in his strongly suggesting - better than the current - "You're a freaking idiot if you don't..." stance.

Truth hurts.

What did you guys used to say?




FUCK YOUR FEELINGS

[LarryBnDC]

Any source given here would be FLAMED by your side as not being impartial.

It's a road not worth going down.  You'd ignore it - or ridicule the source - depending on your mood.

Your side is just fucking wrong.

[REDSTATEWARD]

I have to say, the mandate as it stands, essentially has opened the door to discrimination against about 80 to 100 million Americans who are naturally immune. I mean, these folks are essentially being discriminated against. The president of the United States pointed to them and opened the door to a massive level of discrimination.

Millions of Americans had natural immunity to smallpox, typhus, and polio.  But we didn't, as a nation, take that on faith, and instead had everyone get immunized.  Which is why we eradicated those diseases in North America.  Vaccines produce stronger and more reliable immunity than does natural infection.

Take me, for example.  I had covid last December.  But my "natural immunity" didn't mean I couldn't get it again, and thus be shedding viruses to others.  So I got the Moderna shots.  Now, if natural immunity were really a reliable thing, I wouldn't have felt ill effects from the Moderna shots, right?  Guess what, my second Moderna shot made me pretty sick.  Which means that the vaccine provides a different level of immunity and my immune system had to work hard to produce a new round of antibodies, memory cells, and so on.  I ached in every joint, was super tired, had swollen lymph nodes, and had about a degree of fever for two days.  When it was over, I thought, "Wow, if that was just the vaccine reaction, if that was my system reacting to a weakened piece of spike protein code, just imagine what another bout of actual covid would have been like!" 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/

Key phrase

The federal government, however, has limited power to mandate vaccines. It can only require them to prevent transmission of a dangerous infectious disease across state lines or international borders. The federal government has never sought to require nationwide vaccinations, and the courts probably would not allow it.

[LarryBnDC]

Oh those polls...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/majorities-support-vaccine-mask-mandates-republicans-503506

The poll is irrelevant to the problem.
Demonizing the unvaccinated may feel good.
But when a sizable portion of them are nurses, firefighters, policemen, and other workers in already short-handed occupations who choose to quit those jobs what happens?

Let them go.

[LarryBnDC]

shhhh.....

Jawohl!

[LarryBnDC]

I have to say, the mandate as it stands, essentially has opened the door to discrimination against about 80 to 100 million Americans who are naturally immune. I mean, these folks are essentially being discriminated against. The president of the United States pointed to them and opened the door to a massive level of discrimination.

Millions of Americans had natural immunity to smallpox, typhus, and polio.  But we didn't, as a nation, take that on faith, and instead had everyone get immunized.  Which is why we eradicated those diseases in North America.  Vaccines produce stronger and more reliable immunity than does natural infection.

Take me, for example.  I had covid last December.  But my "natural immunity" didn't mean I couldn't get it again, and thus be shedding viruses to others.  So I got the Moderna shots.  Now, if natural immunity were really a reliable thing, I wouldn't have felt ill effects from the Moderna shots, right?  Guess what, my second Moderna shot made me pretty sick.  Which means that the vaccine provides a different level of immunity and my immune system had to work hard to produce a new round of antibodies, memory cells, and so on.  I ached in every joint, was super tired, had swollen lymph nodes, and had about a degree of fever for two days.  When it was over, I thought, "Wow, if that was just the vaccine reaction, if that was my system reacting to a weakened piece of spike protein code, just imagine what another bout of actual covid would have been like!" 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/