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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hamilton Samuels]

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Just needs some reform and new policies....needs to copy ScoMo.

G ay
Old
Platypus fucker.

 

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2021/02/13/donald-trump-acquittal-shows-depth-danger-trumpism-pandemic-editorials-debates/4476279001/

The fact that the Senate acquitted former President Donald Trump of inciting insurrection is a stain on America’s most prestigious legislative body. The facts were plain. But more than a stain, the Senate has a sickness as well.

Of the 100 jurors who heard Trump’s impeachment case, at least 16 were more co-conspirators in Trump’s efforts to overturn a free and fair election than they were independent judges.

Eight voted last month to overturn Joe Biden’s election victory — the precise outcome the Trump-inspired insurrectionists sought when they left his rally and marched to the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, John Neely Kennedy of Louisiana, Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Rick Scott of Florida and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama attempted to derail America’s centuries-old experiment in democracy.


Violating constitutional oaths
Five of the same members and six more signed onto Cruz’s letter urging an emergency investigation of Trump’s false allegations, after which states would be allowed to change their Electoral College votes, a move that would have discarded the views of millions of Americans. Republican Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Steve Daines of Montana, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, Mike Braun of Indiana and Bill Hagerty, also of Tennessee, were fine with stripping millions of Americans of the right to vote based on false allegations that had already been dismissed in more than 60 court rulings, many of which came from judges whom Trump himself had appointed.

Others spread Trump’s Big Lie that the election was stolen through their actions or words.

Senate votes 57-43 to acquit former President Donald Trump on Feb. 13, 2021.
Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said plainly in a congressional hearing that the election “in many ways was stolen.” Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and pressured him to change votes in the state that Biden narrowly won — a call state officials now are looking into. They helped build the delusional belief among the insurrectionists that Trump was the legitimate winner, a cause for which they were willing to assault lines of police and threaten the lives of congressmembers and then-Vice President Mike Pence.


These 16 jurors, who were not impartial, are guilty of violating their constitutional oaths and attempting to take the nation down a dictatorial path with an unelected president. All of them voted to acquit Trump of attempting to derail a peaceful transfer of power, an act in which they all played a role.

The Senate’s authoritarian caucus
While Saturday’s disappointing 57-43 vote on impeachment leaves Trump free to play a part in America's politics in the future, he is out of office and silenced on social media, so his opportunities for perfidy are limited. That’s not true for the Senate’s authoritarian caucus and for a similar group of more than 100 members in the House of Representatives. Both maintain significant power in a closely divided Congress as President Biden works to restore constitutional guardrails dismantled during the Trump administration. An authoritarian sickness remains at the center of the nation's politics even in Trump’s elective absence.

The fact that such a large share of the legislative branch is opposed to America's democratic form of government is a shocking disgrace, but it is also a threat. Trump is out of office, but as the vote shows, the United States is not free of Trumpism.

Yep. The jury was deeply compromised, and they remain. But think of this way. They just endorsed as a political strategy attacking the Capitol building and promoting violence and affording the murders of the the people who are supposed to be protecting them.

How hard is it going to be to convince a few of the Capital Police to look the other way while assassins stalk those Trump excusers?

I'm not promoting a civil war. I'm just saying that those guys like Cruz, and Hawley, and Paul, and Graham and their ilk should be sleeping with one eye open from now on, as it wouldn't surprise me if many on the left, who can shoot a long range rifle, or handle a gun as well as anyone in the Proud Boys, interpret their actions to be a signal to act in the same exact manner they just excused and endorsed.

Those Weimer Republicans, Trumpians all, may be a more endangered species than their pithy brains can perhaps contemplate.

[Hamilton Samuels]

New York prosecutors investigating loans on Trump’s Manhattan properties, including flagship Trump Tower

New York prosecutors are investigating financial dealings around some of Donald Trump’s signature Manhattan properties, extending the known range of the criminal probe of the former president and his company, according to people familiar with the matter.

The people said Manhattan prosecutors are examining loans Trump took out on his flagship Fifth Avenue building, Trump Tower; 40 Wall St., an art deco skyscraper in New York City’s Financial District; Trump International Hotel and Tower, a hotel and condominium building at Columbus Circle; and Trump Plaza, an apartment building on Manhattan’s East Side.

All of the loans under scrutiny were made to Mr. Trump by subsidiaries of Ladder Capital Corp. LADR, +1.76%, a New York City-based real-estate investment trust, the people said. Since 2012, Ladder Capital has lent Mr. Trump more than $280 million for the four Manhattan buildings, according to property records.

Follow the money.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Well.
The left has harsh words for the House Impeachment Managers assembled by Nancy Pelosi.(no wonder she decided to change the subject and call GOP Senators cowards)


This is so weak," Meena Harris, the niece of Vice President Harris, said. "Just do us the favor of not acting appalled when Trump runs again in 2024."

"Even if you’re convinced no testimony will change the minds of 40 Republicans — and I think that’s a fair assumption — leaving witnesses on the table is an incredible mistake," Huffington Post reporter Matt Fuller said. "After impeachment managers presented a fantastic case, the decision to fold is what will be remembered."

Addie Elie Mystal of The Nation: "Everybody who thinks no witnesses would have changed Republican minds needs to explain to me why Impeachment (which was never going to change Republican minds) was worth it in the 1st place. The people who think Impeachment was NOT worth it are at least INTELLECTUALLY CONSISTENT."

"This is retreat. White flag. Malpractice. Completely unstrategic. They just closed the door on others who may have stepped out, as @HerreraBeutler urged last night," Progressive Change Campaign Committee Co-founder Adam Green said. "Just when we thought Dems were being bold and strategic. This is grabbing lameness out of the jaws of boldness."

Ouch!

[LarryBnDC]

Well.
The left has harsh words for the House Impeachment Managers assembled by Nancy Pelosi.(no wonder she decided to change the subject and call GOP Senators cowards)


This is so weak," Meena Harris, the niece of Vice President Harris, said. "Just do us the favor of not acting appalled when Trump runs again in 2024."

"Even if you’re convinced no testimony will change the minds of 40 Republicans — and I think that’s a fair assumption — leaving witnesses on the table is an incredible mistake," Huffington Post reporter Matt Fuller said. "After impeachment managers presented a fantastic case, the decision to fold is what will be remembered."

Addie Elie Mystal of The Nation: "Everybody who thinks no witnesses would have changed Republican minds needs to explain to me why Impeachment (which was never going to change Republican minds) was worth it in the 1st place. The people who think Impeachment was NOT worth it are at least INTELLECTUALLY CONSISTENT."

"This is retreat. White flag. Malpractice. Completely unstrategic. They just closed the door on others who may have stepped out, as @HerreraBeutler urged last night," Progressive Change Campaign Committee Co-founder Adam Green said. "Just when we thought Dems were being bold and strategic. This is grabbing lameness out of the jaws of boldness."

Ouch!

LOL

[kidcarter8]

Angry, nasty day for the Dems.

Here - and seemingly everywhere.

[josh]

Angry, nasty day for the Dems.

Here - and seemingly everywhere.

"As I said on January 6th, the President bears responsibility for these tragic events. The evidence is compelling that President Trump is guilty of inciting an insurrection against a coequal branch of government and that the charge rises to the level of high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Therefore, I have voted to convict," Burr said in a statement.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/02/13/trump-impeachment-acquittal-mcconnell-speech-gangel-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/trumps-second-impeachment-trial/

CNN's Jamie Gangel reports several Republican sources in favor of conviction say "this is not over with the impeachment," citing other investigations against former President Donald Trump.

I mentioned the likely lawsuits from the families of the deceased police. There are also dozens of injured police. There is talk of a DC lawsuit.

Where does Mike Pence come down on this and what choices does he make?

No, this is decidedly not over.

Nasty, self-serving day for 43 members of the GOP senate, not least McConnell.

[bankshot1]

Machiavellian Mitch made it clear. That after delaying the start of the Senate trial until after Trump left office, and after the Senate voted that it had in fact had the jurisdiction to try the former President, and settled his guilt or innocence,  MM, said fuck it, I'm playing my rules. Fuck the institution's agreed upon rules.

and MM said Trump was guilty and the House Managers made their case, but unfortunately the Senate was closed for business.

And we all saw it.

I suspect even Red saw it, but unfortunately Red's TDS, has eaten away at his ability to reason.

sad

His desperate attempt to cover up his complicity in the Trump attempted coup and get-away was all too obvious to most of us.

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/02/13/trump-impeachment-acquittal-mcconnell-speech-gangel-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/trumps-second-impeachment-trial/

CNN's Jamie Gangel reports several Republican sources in favor of conviction say "this is not over with the impeachment," citing other investigations against former President Donald Trump.

I mentioned the likely lawsuits from the families of the deceased police. There are also dozens of injured police. There is talk of a DC lawsuit.

Where does Mike Pence come down on this and what choices does he make?

No, this is decidedly not over.

Nasty, self-serving day for 43 members of the GOP senate, not least McConnell.

I’m pretty sure McConnell took the right fork in the road for the future of his party.  After all the GOP outperformed the democrats in House and state elections, and won the battle for redistricting.

[LarryBnDC]

Angry, nasty day for the Dems.

Here - and seemingly everywhere.

Seemingly everywhere

https://www.lagop.com/post/official-the-lagop-executive-committee-votes-to-censure-senator-bill-cassidy

[bankshot1]

Poor Red seems to not understand that since 2016, the Repubs have lost the House, the White House and the Senate.

If not for voter supression and gerrymandering they don't have a lot to offer the deplorables.

They broke the economy, ran up huge deficits when the economy didn't need the hi-octane boost, looted the treasury of about $2T, infected the country and diddled for months when Americans were getting sick and dieing.

Helluva record.

Maybe they can offer immunity from prosecution in the Red States, so thats something.

LMAO

[josh]

Maybe they can offer immunity from prosecution in the Red States, so thats something.

Except Georgia.

[barton]

... and won the battle for redistricting.

It ain't over til the full-figured cis-female sings...

Now that the vast majority of Senate Republicans voted to acquit former president Donald Trump of inciting violent insurrection, as we all knew they would, Democrats should immediately respond as follows:

1. Pass H.R.1 and S.1 with all deliberate speed.

2. Be prepared to nuke the legislative filibuster if and when Republicans obstruct it in the Senate.

3. Get the package into law as quickly as possible.

Those are the House and Senate bills that would expand voting rights, make voting easier in numerous ways and place limits on GOP counter-majoritarian tactics, which Republicans are cheerfully escalating in numerous states....     

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/13/massive-gop-betrayal-our-democracy-requires-forceful-democratic-response/

IMO, gerrymandering until you have minority rule is not a triumph of democracy.   In any case,  Greg Sargent goes on to make some points about how the GOP has radicalized.   Worth reading.   

[REDSTATEWARD]

... and won the battle for redistricting.

It ain't over til the full-figured cis-female sings...

Now that the vast majority of Senate Republicans voted to acquit former president Donald Trump of inciting violent insurrection, as we all knew they would, Democrats should immediately respond as follows:

1. Pass H.R.1 and S.1 with all deliberate speed.

2. Be prepared to nuke the legislative filibuster if and when Republicans obstruct it in the Senate.

3. Get the package into law as quickly as possible.

Those are the House and Senate bills that would expand voting rights, make voting easier in numerous ways and place limits on GOP counter-majoritarian tactics, which Republicans are cheerfully escalating in numerous states....     

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/13/massive-gop-betrayal-our-democracy-requires-forceful-democratic-response/

IMO, gerrymandering until you have minority rule is not a triumph of democracy.   

Damn the voice of the people!
LOL!