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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[kidcarter8]

I dont think so  not in those specific doses that helped Rogan.

Dying after  ingesting a product doesnt show that the product cannot be used safely in a certain  dosage level.

But your side runs roughshod with  news.  Play on.   It is what we expect.

[josh]

I dont think so  not in those specific doses that helped Rogan.

Dying after  ingesting a product doesnt show that the product cannot be used safely in a certain  dosage level.

But your side runs roughshod with  news.  Play on.   It is what we expect.

Your opinion counts even less than Dr. Makary's.

Nobody claimed otherwise. Indeed, I carefully said only that they had died, not that they had died explicitly from the cocktail. However, the track record from Ivermectin [explicitly includes people dying from it despite only using it at prescribed dosage levels. Do you need the citations for you to believe me? Let me know or do the research yourself. I don't give a fuck. For COVID-19 in the U.S., there is no medically approved dosage level of Ivermectin.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Irony!

[kidcarter8]

Take this medication by mouth with a full glass of water (8 ounces or 240 milliliters) on an empty stomach at least 1 hour before a meal. Ivermectin is usually taken as a single dose or series of doses, or as directed by your doctor.

[kidcarter8]

Remember that this medication has been prescribed because your doctor has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

[kidcarter8]

A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, get medical help right away if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing.

[facilitatorn]

Three non responsive posts in a row. Nurse, up his drip. This patient is fading!

[josh]

Remember that this medication has been prescribed because your doctor has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

"Many people... do not have serious side effects."

So much relief from that sentence.

Not even "most people?!"

Sounds like a wise idea.

LOL!

[josh]

Take this medication by mouth with a full glass of water (8 ounces or 240 milliliters) on an empty stomach at least 1 hour before a meal. Ivermectin is usually taken as a single dose or series of doses, or as directed by your doctor.

What part of "For COVID-19 in the U.S., there is no medically approved dosage level of Ivermectin are you struggling with, Kid?

From the page you are quoting (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1122/ivermectin-oral/details)

Ivermectin - Uses, Side Effects, and More
GENERIC NAME: IVERMECTIN
This medication is used to treat certain parasitic roundworm infections. Curing parasitic infections helps to improve your quality of life. In people with weakened defense (immune) systems, curing roundworm infections can reduce the risk of developing a severe or life-threatening infection. Ivermectin belongs to a class of drugs known as antihelmintics. It works by paralyzing and killing parasites.

I said "For COVID-19."

Nothing you are saying contradicts anything I said, for all that it is misleading.

I will now tell you the same thing I told Ward.

If you continue trying to misrepresent Ivermectin or any other unapproved, unproven COVID-19 medication you will get a time out.

[josh]

This is from July 2021.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID‐19

Authors' conclusions
Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.

[josh]

Also from July 2021, though revised in October:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925443921002271

Repositioning Ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment: Molecular mechanisms of action against SARS-CoV-2 replication


From the abstract (because the paper's conclusion is too filled with jargon to explain their point effectively).

In summary, the collective review of recent efforts suggests that IVM has a prophylactic effect and would be a strong candidate for clinical trials to treat SARS-CoV-2.

IOW, not yet ready for prime time.

[josh]

From a week ago comes this paper:
https://journals.lww.com/cns-journal/Citation/2022/01000/Ivermectin__21st_Century__Snake_Oil__or_Safe_and.5.aspx

Ivermectin: 21st Century "Snake Oil" or Safe and Effective for COVID-19?

In summary, clinicians should strongly counsel patients against use of ivermectin as a treatment of COVID-19, including emphasizing the potentially toxic effects without treatment benefits. Use of animal ivermectin products must also be strongly discouraged related to significant risk of overdose.

From November, 2021:

Ivermectin for COVID-19: Concerns during pregnancy

Besides the lack of demonstrated efficacy to Covid-19 disease, ingesting ivermectin is of concern for women who may be pregnant.
...
Thus, besides the lack of adequate clinical safety of ivermectin in human pregnancies, healthcare providers should be aware of the animal data as an under-appreciated potential risk factor to pregnant women who take ivermectin for Covid-19. An additional risk factor to these women would be the coadministration of a P-glycoprotein inhibitor (e.g., clarithromycin, cyclosporin, diltiazem, erythromycin, felodipine, omeprazole, tamoxifen, and some statins to name a few). A number of coadministration studies in various species have shown increased systemic exposure, organ concentrations, or toxicity of ivermectin. The combination will likely cause an increased level of ivermectin in the developing embryo or fetus, potentially inducing birth defects.

From an upcoming issue:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471489221001624

Treatments for COVID-19: Lessons from 2020 and new therapeutic options

Other repurposed drugs potentially targeting multiple steps of the SARS-CoV-2 life cycle are currently being tested, such as ivermectin (IVM), a broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with previously reported antiviral activity in vitro [47, 48, 49]. Although a small study on 57 patients with mild COVID-19 showed a reduction in symptom duration and viral detection in the URT of treated patients [50], no robust evidence to support its clinical use was provided by other studies [51,52] or by a recent Cochrane meta-analysis [53].

From Nov., 2021:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8570392/

Clinical features and mechanistic insights into drug repurposing for combating COVID-19

2.4. Antiparasitic drugs
Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug that also possesses antiviral properties against some viruses. It mainly interferes with the nuclear transport of viral proteins by dissociating importin (IMPα/β1) heterodimers (Wagstaff et al., 2012). Since nuclear transport is important for the replication of viruses, targeting this process may be a powerful approach against viral infection (Caly et al., 2012). Upon exposing SARS-CoV-2 infected vero-hSLAM cells to ivermectin at a concentration of 5 (symbol for micrometers), a 5000 fold reduction in SARS-CoV-2 viral activity was reported 48 h post infection (Caly et al., 2020). However; Schmith and his team (Schmith et al., 2020) has shown that the approved concentration of ivermectin as a single drug is not sufficient to reach a successful clinical trial. The total bound and unbound concentrations of plasma ivermectin is still far to reach the IC50, even when the level of dose is 10x higher than the approved dose. Therefore, this drug is still under the clinical trials where some studies have shown no benefit including the randomized trials. One of the largest trails of ivermectin showing it to be the most benefit drug against COVID-19 has been retracted because of the falsified data and hence, it has been suggested by Dr. Josh Davis of University of Newcastle to "not to recommend ivermectin for routine use outside the setting of clinical trials".

I could go on. I'm not going to. If you want to keep pushing Ivermectin in any way shape or manner with regard to COVID-19, it must be EVIDENCE-BASED, not any given doctor's opinion, let alone a doctor with clear ideological leanings who also has no specialty in this area - and especially one without a randomized clinical trial's results.

While I'm at it, from Oct, 2021:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14787210.2022.2015326

Hydroxychloroquine as pre-exposure prophylaxis against COVID-19 infection among healthcare workers: a prospective cohort study

Conclusion
This study demonstrated no benefit of hydroxychloroquine prophylaxis and provides quality evidence against its use in COVID-19 prevention.

[josh]

[REDSTATEWARD]

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

[bambu.]

Guns are great if you're an RV lifer, casual or permanent.
Bad people try to get into your van, travel trailer, 5th wheel etc at night or otherwise, guns are great for protection.
Guns are no good locked away, they must be ready to fire at a moment's notice.

[facilitatorn]

This republican politician is every republican politician more or less.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/9/2073640/-Yet-Another-Christofascist-is-a-Pedophile-Lee-Chatfield