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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

Ward has stopped spewing his lies about drugs and is instead changing to WSJ bogus propaganda against vaccinations.

It is true that "The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain."

But what is ignored by Ward and the WSJ is that the percentage of unvaccinated in the hospital is still blowing away the percentage who have been vaccinated or partially vaccinated.

For example, from Friday:
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid-hospitalizations-pa-vaccines-omicron-20220107.html
About 90% of COVID-19 patients in some of Pa.

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

Ward has stopped spewing his lies about drugs and is instead changing to WSJ bogus propaganda against vaccinations.

It is true that "The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain."

But what is ignored by Ward and the WSJ is that the percentage of unvaccinated in the hospital is still blowing away the percentage who have been vaccinated or partially vaccinated.

For example, from Friday:
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid-hospitalizations-pa-vaccines-omicron-20220107.html
About 90% of COVID-19 patients in some of Pa.'s hardest-hit hospitals are unvaccinated

Meanwhile, also from Friday:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/07/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests

Covid Updates: Number of Hospitalized Young Children Who've Tested Positive Is Jumping, C.D.C. Says


Released on Thursday:
https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/Coronavirus/CTDPHCOVID19summary01062022.pdf

of these (hospitalized COVID patients), 1213 (68%) are not fully vaccinated.
Only 7 of the entire group had been boosted.

Vaccinations and boosted individuals are at vastly reduced risk of hospitalization or risk of death as far as we can tell thus far, despite the Wall Street Journal's misrepresentations and Ward's lies.

[LarryBnDC]

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

You dumb fucks have doomed us to a future that could have been avoided if the GOP Death Cult valued people over bullshit.

[LarryBnDC]

I dont think so  not in those specific doses that helped Rogan.

Dying after  ingesting a product doesnt show that the product cannot be used safely in a certain  dosage level.

But your side runs roughshod with  news.  Play on.   It is what we expect.

Joe Rogan used to put people in boxes and cover them with worms... yeah, that is the guy you should listen to over scientist...

[REDSTATEWARD]

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

Ward has stopped spewing his lies about drugs and is instead changing to WSJ bogus propaganda against vaccinations.

It is true that "The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain."

End of debate.
Since the vaccinated  are getting infected the November mandates are obsolete.
The question of their constitutionality can still be debated. But for what?

[bambu.]

Is Queens as bad as it's portrayed in movies?

[josh]

Is Queens as bad as it's portrayed in movies?

Not even slightly.

[josh]

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

Ward has stopped spewing his lies about drugs and is instead changing to WSJ bogus propaganda against vaccinations.

It is true that "The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain."

End of debate.
Since the vaccinated  are getting infected the November mandates are obsolete.
The question of their constitutionality can still be debated. But for what?

No.

Since the vaccinated are getting infected at vastly lower rates and being hospitalized at even lower rates, the mandates still have a huge amount of utility.

Had those who were not vaccinated been vaccinated, our hospitals would not be overflowing.

You act like the only choices are infected or not and that there is no difference between the two.

It is an absurd position for anybody to take.

We don't know if there are long term implications from Omicron yet, but we do know that the more folks who get it the greater the chance that it will mutate further.

[REDSTATEWARD]

It should be obvious by now that SCOTUS is
spinning its wheels mulling over the legality of Mandated Covid Vaccines which were issued thE first week of November.

Omicron has changed the landscape since fully vaccinated people( boosters and all) are being infected.
That makes 3 month old Mandate obsolete.  The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain.
The CDC release said because  some of the Omicron 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading,  we do not yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.

Ward has stopped spewing his lies about drugs and is instead changing to WSJ bogus propaganda against vaccinations.

It is true that "The CDC estimates that, since January first, 95 per cent of the infections are traced to the Omicron strain."

End of debate.
Since the vaccinated  are getting infected the November mandates are obsolete.
The question of their constitutionality can still be debated. But for what?

No.

Since the vaccinated are getting infected at vastly lower rates and being hospitalized at even lower rates, the mandates still have a huge amount of utility.

How?

Had those who were not vaccinated been vaccinated, our hospitals would not be overflowing.

That is not true. Staff shortages are affected by many health workers who refuse mandated  vaccines when they believe their own antibodies are sufficient to protect them.

You act like the only choices are infected or not and that there is no difference between the two.

That makes no sense.

We don't know if there are long term implications from Omicron yet, but we do know that the more folks who get it the greater the chance that it will mutate further.

You may want to reread that sentence and think about what it means. It is not a strong endorsement of mandated vaccines.

[josh]

This is from April 2021, but is an example of what I mean about not knowing what we will find later:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33791841/

Pulmonary imaging in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): a series of 140 Latin American children


This is from the abstract. 100% of the asymptomatic children had peribronchial thickening. Other pulmonary issues showed up in ~80% of them. Yes, it was a small number (25) of asymptomatic kids, but it is a high percentage that suggests that "asymptomatic" doesn't mean "got off scot free."

Conclusion: Asymptomatic children and those with mild symptoms of COVID-19 showed mainly peribronchial thickening, ground-glass opacities and pulmonary vascular engorgement on radiographs. Ground-glass opacity and consolidation were more common in children who required intensive care admission or died.

[josh]

Since the vaccinated are getting infected at vastly lower rates and being hospitalized at even lower rates, the mandates still have a huge amount of utility.

How?

By reducing future infections.

Had those who were not vaccinated been vaccinated, our hospitals would not be overflowing.

That is not true. Staff shortages are affected by many health workers who refuse mandated  vaccines when they believe their own antibodies are sufficient to protect them.

You're claiming that because people refused to get vaccinated, therefore if they had been vaccinated it would have had no effect?!

That's bizarre,

Let's try this again: While some of those who were vaccinated got Omicron, it is a lower percentage, by a lot, than those who relied on their "natural antibodies." Ditto the percentages who got hospitalized.

Do you dispute those claims? If so, on what basis?! If not, then what is your point?

You act like the only choices are infected or not and that there is no difference between the two.

That makes no sense.

I agree, and yet that seems to be your position.

We don't know if there are long term implications from Omicron yet, but we do know that the more folks who get it the greater the chance that it will mutate further.

You may want to reread that sentence and think about what it means. It is not a strong endorsement of mandated vaccines.

The more people who catch the Omicron Variant (the direct antecedent of "it" in "who get it") the greater the chance that it (again, the Omicron Variant) will mutate further (from the original COVID-19 virus).

I am sorry that you had such a hard time following that.

And yes, reducing the likelihood of further mutations is very much a good idea and therefore a strong endorsement of mandated vaccinations (not vaccines).

[josh]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159121006516, revised in December, 2021.

Emphasis added. More reasons why we want more people more protected.

Fatigue and cognitive impairment in Post-COVID-19 Syndrome: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Highlights

[facilitatorn]

Is Queens as bad as it's portrayed in movies?

Not even slightly.

Depends on where in Queens. It is a large diverse place with all sorts of exceptional nooks and crannies. It has also been on the upswing for several decades generally.

[facilitatorn]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/white-backlash-is-a-type-of-racial-reckoning-too/

[facilitatorn]

http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/01/09/doj-is-treating-january-6-as-an-act-of-terrorism-but-not-all-january-6-defendants-are-terrorists/

[kidcarter8]

Emphasis added. More reasons why we want more people more protected.


Nobody disagrees

It is still personal choice

Is what it is

If Biden wants to work hard at something productive  , doing a better job convincing folks to get vaccinated or delegating this to someone real good at it  might be advisable.  Reason enough to  replace Dr  Fauci as top talking head outside Rachel.  A Republican voice sure makes a ton of sense.