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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

Your common sense Justices just nuked any advantage gained by the GOP.

You have more confidence in the electorate than I do.

By a wide margin.

When have I been any different?

The fact I have more faith in America than you and Ham should tell you something.

Not really.

My confidence in the long term is fine (if we last that long, given the climate).

I find my lack of confidence in the short term remains understandable.

[Hairy Lime]

It is entertaining in an abstract to recognize that the right wing excoriates the left for referring to an American Common Law at some points while relying upon it at other points, or as Scalia says, our society stradition.

It is true that our tradition does not include legal abortion and equally true that it does include abortions aplenty.

Say what?
Legal abortions were always available in the USA but legality was not widespread. That changed with ROE in 1973 when it was made legal as a Constitutional Right. Over the intervening 49 years States began restricting that right due to huge pressure from those opposed to abortion.
Yesterday SCOTUS held there is no Constitutional such right leaving the legality of abortion totally up to  the States. The decision also noted that States cannot bar residents from traveling out its jurisdiction to find legal abortions.

Making abortion a middle class right for half of American women.

Then it always was by tradition.
If there is to be a full right, if that is term you want, then Congress has to act.

It was a full right. Until the right chipped away on it, and the Supreme Court for the first time ever decided that an individual right was no longer a right.

[Espnthree]

It is entertaining in an abstract to recognize that the right wing excoriates the left for referring to an American Common Law at some points while relying upon it at other points, or as Scalia says, our society stradition.

It is true that our tradition does not include legal abortion and equally true that it does include abortions aplenty.

Say what?
Legal abortions were always available in the USA but legality was not widespread. That changed with ROE in 1973 when it was made legal as a Constitutional Right. Over the intervening 49 years States began restricting that right due to huge pressure from those opposed to abortion.
Yesterday SCOTUS held there is no Constitutional such right leaving the legality of abortion totally up to  the States. The decision also noted that States cannot bar residents from traveling out its jurisdiction to find legal abortions.

Making abortion a middle class right for half of American women.

Then it always was by tradition.
If there is to be a full right, if that is term you want, then Congress has to act.

It was a full right. Until the right chipped away on it, and the Supreme Court for the first time ever decided that an individual right was no longer a right.

Rightly so.
Just like the Dred Scott decision failed to solve the slavery debate Roe died for lack of a political consensus.
Thankfully we did not have to start another war against ourselves to deep six a bad SCOTUS ruling

[kiidcarter8]

 Heard 54 per cent in US are not in favor of abortion

Then a very nice lady at last nights rally says it is 20 per cent

Okeyyyy doke

[Espnthree]

The beginning of the end of Roe v. Wade arrived on election night in November 2010.

That night, control of state houses across the country flipped from Democrat to Republican, almost to the number: Democrats had controlled 27 state legislatures going in and ended up with 16; Republicans started with 14 and ended up controlling 25. Republicans swept not only the South but Democratic strongholds in the Midwest, picking up more seats nationwide than either party had in four decades. By the time the votes had been counted, they held their biggest margin since the Great Depression.

There had been a time, in the 15 years after Roe, when Republicans were as likely as Democrats to support an absolute right to legal abortion, and sometimes even more so. But 2010 swept in a different breed of Republican, powered by Tea Party supporters, that locked in a new conservatism. While Tea Party-backed candidates had campaigned on fiscal discipline and promised indifference to social issues, once in office they found it difficult to cut state budgets. And a well-established network was waiting with model anti-abortion laws.

In legislative sessions starting the following January, Republican-led states passed a record number of restrictions: 92, or nearly three times as many as the previous high, set in 2005.

The three years following the 2010 elections would result in 205 anti abortion laws across the country, more than in the entire previous decade.

A watershed year in the defense of life,Charmaine Yoest, at the time president of the anti-abortion group Americans United for Life, proclaimed when the sessions were over, noting that 70 of the laws restrictions on abortion pills and hurdles for women getting abortions and clinics providing them had adopted the its model legislation. And that is just the beginning.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/25/us/how-roe-ended.html

[facilitatorn]

It is entertaining in an abstract to recognize that the right wing excoriates the left for referring to an American Common Law at some points while relying upon it at other points, or as Scalia says, our society stradition.

It is true that our tradition does not include legal abortion and equally true that it does include abortions aplenty.

Say what?
Legal abortions were always available in the USA but legality was not widespread. That changed with ROE in 1973 when it was made legal as a Constitutional Right. Over the intervening 49 years States began restricting that right due to huge pressure from those opposed to abortion.
Yesterday SCOTUS held there is no Constitutional such right leaving the legality of abortion totally up to  the States. The decision also noted that States cannot bar residents from traveling out its jurisdiction to find legal abortions.

Making abortion a middle class right for half of American women.

Then it always was by tradition.
If there is to be a full right, if that is term you want, then Congress has to act.

It was a full right. Until the right chipped away on it, and the Supreme Court for the first time ever decided that an individual right was no longer a right.

Rightly so.
Just like the Dred Scott decision failed to solve the slavery debate Roe died for lack of a political consensus.
Thankfully we did not have to start another war against ourselves to deep six a bad SCOTUS ruling

Yup. It was the insurrection that put you on the wrong side of the next civil war. Your current attack on Roe is a skirmish in it very early on.

[Espnthree]

Heard 54 per cent in US are not in favor of abortion

Then a very nice lady at last nights rally says it is 20 per cent

Okeyyyy doke

Polls on abortion are only meaningful State by State

[LarryBnDC]

Your common sense Justices just nuked any advantage gained by the GOP.

You have more confidence in the electorate than I do.

By a wide margin.

When have I been any different?

The fact I have more faith in America than you and Ham should tell you something.

Not really.

My confidence in the long term is fine (if we last that long, given the climate).

I find my lack of confidence in the short term remains understandable.

Whereas I see this as the most consequential election since the last one.
Failure in this cycle is not an option.

I probably have more confidence because I have seen this coming for a long time.

I think I have been screaming about this era for years;

ACHTUNG, BITCHES!

Now here we are.

Maybe now White Women will stop voting GOP.

[LarryBnDC]

Heard 54 per cent in US are not in favor of abortion

Then a very nice lady at last nights rally says it is 20 per cent

Okeyyyy doke

Presented without comment:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/

[josh]

Your common sense Justices just nuked any advantage gained by the GOP.

You have more confidence in the electorate than I do.

By a wide margin.

When have I been any different?

The fact I have more faith in America than you and Ham should tell you something.

Not really.

My confidence in the long term is fine (if we last that long, given the climate).

I find my lack of confidence in the short term remains understandable.

Whereas I see this as the most consequential election since the last one.
Failure in this cycle is not an option.

I probably have more confidence because I have seen this coming for a long time.

I think I have been screaming about this era for years;

ACHTUNG, BITCHES!

Now here we are.

Maybe now White Women will stop voting GOP.

"Maybe"

And that is where I don't see sufficient movement.

(a) It's early and

(b) I sure hope I am wrong.

[Hairy Lime]

It is entertaining in an abstract to recognize that the right wing excoriates the left for referring to an American Common Law at some points while relying upon it at other points, or as Scalia says, our society stradition.

It is true that our tradition does not include legal abortion and equally true that it does include abortions aplenty.

Say what?
Legal abortions were always available in the USA but legality was not widespread. That changed with ROE in 1973 when it was made legal as a Constitutional Right. Over the intervening 49 years States began restricting that right due to huge pressure from those opposed to abortion.
Yesterday SCOTUS held there is no Constitutional such right leaving the legality of abortion totally up to  the States. The decision also noted that States cannot bar residents from traveling out its jurisdiction to find legal abortions.

Making abortion a middle class right for half of American women.

Then it always was by tradition.
If there is to be a full right, if that is term you want, then Congress has to act.

It was a full right. Until the right chipped away on it, and the Supreme Court for the first time ever decided that an individual right was no longer a right.

Rightly so.
Just like the Dred Scott decision failed to solve the slavery debate Roe died for lack of a political consensus.
Thankfully we did not have to start another war against ourselves to deep six a bad SCOTUS ruling

Rights are not a question of political consensus.

[Espnthree]

It is entertaining in an abstract to recognize that the right wing excoriates the left for referring to an American Common Law at some points while relying upon it at other points, or as Scalia says, our society stradition.

It is true that our tradition does not include legal abortion and equally true that it does include abortions aplenty.

Say what?
Legal abortions were always available in the USA but legality was not widespread. That changed with ROE in 1973 when it was made legal as a Constitutional Right. Over the intervening 49 years States began restricting that right due to huge pressure from those opposed to abortion.
Yesterday SCOTUS held there is no Constitutional such right leaving the legality of abortion totally up to  the States. The decision also noted that States cannot bar residents from traveling out its jurisdiction to find legal abortions.

Making abortion a middle class right for half of American women.

Then it always was by tradition.
If there is to be a full right, if that is term you want, then Congress has to act.

It was a full right. Until the right chipped away on it, and the Supreme Court for the first time ever decided that an individual right was no longer a right.

Rightly so.
Just like the Dred Scott decision failed to solve the slavery debate Roe died for lack of a political consensus.
Thankfully we did not have to start another war against ourselves to deep six a bad SCOTUS ruling

Rights are not a question of political consensus.

Wanna Bet?
Dred Scott and Roe V Wade prove just the opposite since political consensus never accepted either which were both manufactured by SCOTUS.
Dred Scott was thought at the time to end the slavery debate,:
Likewise Roe to end the abortion debate.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23057032/supreme-court-abortion-rights-roe-v-wade-state-aid

The civilized, just, moral, and humane response is to hang all the trump appointees still serving along with all the trump supporters currently running for office. Civily, justly, moraly, and humanely  leave them up until they have been picked clean.

[josh]

Ward doesn't understand the word "rights."

[josh]

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23057032/supreme-court-abortion-rights-roe-v-wade-state-aid

The civilized, just, moral, and humane response is to hang all the trump appointees still serving along with all the trump supporters currently running for office. Civily, justly, moraly, and humanely  leave them up until they have been picked clean.

I realize that your position is only marginally more bloodthirsty than the recent actions of the Supreme Court and its cheering squad.

Still, would you mind reducing the death component of your posts a bit? (And add some "l")