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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Espnthree]

It is good to have extreme voices, left and right, in Congress. It is even good to listen to them now and again. But you should never give them power over you. Especially since some of the far right view the Democrats as their opponents but the likes of McCarthy as their enemy.

Obviously the budget hardliners already have power over McCarthy.
Or he would be Speaker.
The overriding issue,though, is spending.
McCarthy is not trusted to hold the line on spending.
The way Congress works is to authorize spending, then appropriate money for those authorized expenditures, and then to authorize the Treasury Department to issue debt in order to pay for that appropriated money.
Raising the debt ceiling has been done 78 times in the last 60 years and it does not relate to which party is in power. Congress has always found a way to avoid a world financial crisis with band aids, etc., each time.

This faction , now that the GOP controls the House, wants to change business as usual, a debate the democrats avoided with its lockstep reaction to leadership orders.

It is most likely not going to be resolved until the stock market crashes and the kids in Congress have to grow up.

BULLSHIT!

Of course. The far right congresscritters do not want a debate 9n how budgeting and spending is done. They want to use the current system to derail spending approved by legislation where they could not defeat the legislation itself. The last thing they want is a change in the system.

You seem pretty confused about how Congress works (in addition to you being just naive)
The   current system has not changed except the GOP has control of the House.
It cannot repeal anything without the Senate and The President agreeing  with them.( that pesky constitution!)
But it can propose new legislation on spending and tax cuts(for starters)
And that could force compromise with Biden if he pursues a second term.
See Bill Clinton.

[Yankguy1]

I think Jeffries should go to McCarthy and say "if you back away from those deals you made with the lunatics, we can toss you enough votes to make you Speaker.  Of course, we want Majority seating on Ways and Means and Judiciary committees."

Dems do not want McCarthy either.

This ends when he gives up.

Well my post was mostly fantasy, but I think the Democrats would be fine with McCarthy if they got majority seating on those committees

Any Repo who becomes speaker by dealing with Dems would be DOA in that caucus.

Of course.  That's the fantasy.

[Espnthree]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

[bambu.]

It is good to have extreme voices, left and right, in Congress. It is even good to listen to them now and again. But you should never give them power over you. Especially since some of the far right view the Democrats as their opponents but the likes of McCarthy as their enemy.

Obviously the budget hardliners already have power over McCarthy.
Or he would be Speaker.
The overriding issue,though, is spending.
McCarthy is not trusted to hold the line on spending.
The way Congress works is to authorize spending, then appropriate money for those authorized expenditures, and then to authorize the Treasury Department to issue debt in order to pay for that appropriated money.
Raising the debt ceiling has been done 78 times in the last 60 years and it does not relate to which party is in power. Congress has always found a way to avoid a world financial crisis with band aids, etc., each time.

This faction , now that the GOP controls the House, wants to change business as usual, a debate the democrats avoided with its lockstep reaction to leadership orders.

It is most likely not going to be resolved until the stock market crashes and the kids in Congress have to grow up.

One day the continual borrowing of money to balance the budget is going to have to stop.
I tried that, continual borrowing of money to balance the household budget...it didn't work out well.
The credit cards maxed out.
Now, as happens when you do that, everything has gone wrong. Car has to be inspected, passed, and then registered with the DMV...but things need fixing.
Mrs bambu also needs fixing, operation soon.

Exactly the same thing with the nation, max out the credit card and with the economic climate the way it is in the world today...China rising and taking an ever-increasing share of the trade/ownership of the West pie, and the nation can be in serious trouble.

If the so-called "Taliban 20" Republicans are out to stop the (financial) rot...then that is good thing.
The US Debt Clock is a scary thing to watch.

[Hairy Lime]

It is good to have extreme voices, left and right, in Congress. It is even good to listen to them now and again. But you should never give them power over you. Especially since some of the far right view the Democrats as their opponents but the likes of McCarthy as their enemy.

Obviously the budget hardliners already have power over McCarthy.
Or he would be Speaker.
The overriding issue,though, is spending.
McCarthy is not trusted to hold the line on spending.
The way Congress works is to authorize spending, then appropriate money for those authorized expenditures, and then to authorize the Treasury Department to issue debt in order to pay for that appropriated money.
Raising the debt ceiling has been done 78 times in the last 60 years and it does not relate to which party is in power. Congress has always found a way to avoid a world financial crisis with band aids, etc., each time.

This faction , now that the GOP controls the House, wants to change business as usual, a debate the democrats avoided with its lockstep reaction to leadership orders.

It is most likely not going to be resolved until the stock market crashes and the kids in Congress have to grow up.

One day the continual borrowing of money to balance the budget is going to have to stop.
I tried that, continual borrowing of money to balance the household budget...it didn't work out well.
The credit cards maxed out.
Now, as happens when you do that, everything has gone wrong. Car has to be inspected, passed, and then registered with the DMV...but things need fixing.
Mrs bambu also needs fixing, operation soon.

Exactly the same thing with the nation, max out the credit card and with the economic climate the way it is in the world today...China rising and taking an ever-increasing share of the trade/ownership of the West pie, and the nation can be in serious trouble.

If the so-called "Taliban 20" Republicans are out to stop the (financial) rot...then that is good thing.
The US Debt Clock is a scary thing to watch.

Governments are not households moron.

[Hairy Lime]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

The only place where Cori Bush pointing out that Repos are once again using a black person as a prop "hurts" her or Dems is in the far right bathtub you soak in.

[Espnthree]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

The only place where Cori Bush pointing out that Repos are once again using a black person as a prop "hurts" her or Dems is in the far right bathtub you soak in.

Revealing and sad that you think a black demeaning a black is somehow a positive.
EspeciallyCori Bush who turned Defund The Police into a half million dollar slush fund to buy police to guard her, but no one else.

[Espnthree]

Harry Lime Wrote


 The far right congresscritters do not want a debate 9n how budgeting and spending is done. They want to use the current system to derail spending approved by legislation where they could not defeat the legislation itself. The last thing they want is a change in the system. 

You seem pretty confused about how Congress works (in addition to you being just naive)
The   current system has not changed except the GOP has control of the House.
It cannot repeal anything without the Senate and The President agreeing  with them.( that pesky constitution!)
But it can propose new legislation on spending and tax cuts(for starters)
And that could force compromise with Biden if he pursues a second term.
See Bill Clinton.

[LarryB!]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.
Oh, the white supremacy of it all!

Hahahahahaha

[LarryB!]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

The only place where Cori Bush pointing out that Repos are once again using a black person as a prop "hurts" her or Dems is in the far right bathtub you soak in.

Revealing and sad that you think a black demeaning a black is somehow a positive.
EspeciallyCori Bush who turned Defund The Police into a half million dollar slush fund to buy police to guard her, but no one else.

Oh Prunella!

LOL

[LarryB!]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

Oh Lord! Hahahahahahahahahah!

[facilitatorn]

The Dems have nominated a capable and qualified principled and dignified member who has received the most votes in every round so far.

[Hairy Lime]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

The only place where Cori Bush pointing out that Repos are once again using a black person as a prop "hurts" her or Dems is in the far right bathtub you soak in.

Revealing and sad that you think a black demeaning a black is somehow a positive.
EspeciallyCori Bush who turned Defund The Police into a half million dollar slush fund to buy police to guard her, but no one else.

Pointing out a harsh truth is not demeaning a black but the people who use them. How has Donalds.support been holding up(

[Espnthree]

BTW love the suggestion about the dog catching the car, Dems all voting for Donalds.

All the while calling him a prop.

The truth hurts you, doesn t it.

The dems are the ones hurting themselves.

The only place where Cori Bush pointing out that Repos are once again using a black person as a prop "hurts" her or Dems is in the far right bathtub you soak in.

Revealing and sad that you think a black demeaning a black is somehow a positive.
EspeciallyCori Bush who turned Defund The Police into a half million dollar slush fund to buy police to guard her, but no one else.

Pointing out a harsh truth is not demeaning a black but the people who use them. How has Donalds.support been holding up(

Nice change of the subject.
But here are the problems for the 21 Freedom Fighters
They have no traction on an alternative.
Why?
Under the proposed negotiated new rules package, committees are back in charge of legislation, with rules designed to ensure that bills address single subjects rather than catch all legislation.
It  gives members power to challenge amendments that are not related to the topic at hand. And it revives Calendar Wednesday whereby any committee chairman can bring a bill straight to the floor.
 Proxy voting is history, as are virtual committee meetings. It requires a 72 hour rule to give members time to read legislation. It ends the dems wild experiment with staffer unionization, which threatened to tie the chamber up with crazy demands.

And it makes it much harder for the House to tax and spend by requiring any mandatory spending increases be offset with equal or greater mandatory spending cuts.
A three fifths supermajority vote will be required for tax increases.
It revives  allowing appropriations bills effectively to defund the salaries of specific executive branch officials or specific programs. It also requires each committee to submit an oversight plan that lays out what action it intends to take on unauthorized or duplicative programs.

In other words the GOP is open for debate in the House unlike the Pelosi call for the goose step response to HER decisions which got us what?

AGOP House.

Time for the Freedom Fighters to take the win.
No other republican shows any interest in supporting a speaker from their group.

[facilitatorn]

Somebody forgot to mention scrapping the Ethics committee, always a sign to a commitment to honest and open government.

McCarthy is an undeclared paid foreign agent. No one n their right mind would give him a vote for speaker. That would be wishing yourself a whole nation of Bakersfield. Yuck.