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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[kidcarter8]

No reason for this.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/traffic-stop-escalates-shootout-182004533.html

What do you think?  Impound the car?

[Hamilton Samuels]

I just hope that court does a competent job.   Unswayed by any public opinion.   Period.

Me, too.

And if the outcome is not what most people think it should be, I hope people consider that the system works without any guarantees as to anticipated outcomes.

See: O.J. Simpson, double murder trial.

[Hamilton Samuels]

No reason for this.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/traffic-stop-escalates-shootout-182004533.html

What do you think?  Impound the car?

I think the video is edited, for one, but I also have a hard time seeing one of my daughters acting in a manner consistent with the manner in which that woman did. Choices have consequences, sometimes fatal ones.

[LarryBnDC]

And the videos show us nothing to suggest that George Floyd was an extreme case.


I specifically directed you to the Carlson segment that had the ENTIRETY of audio/video from the incident.  What had been shown by networks previously did not tell the entire tale.

As I said at the time, some of you would not bother watching it - and some would watch but then ignore.

I watched it.   Some facts,  regarding his blood level of  fentanyl, and that his respiratory problems were happening before his restraint,  are relevant and will be scrutinized at trial I'm sure.   It is possible that he was dying,  that officers didn't grasp this,  and that excessive force (though appearing callous) was not the primary COD. 

Pitted against that will be questions about that use of force (which is inarguably brutal) and why Chauvin et al were not able to make the logical leap from a man who is clearly high and having breathing trouble to him having cardiopulmonary problems that needed prompt medical attention. 

 I will reserve judgment until those questions are answered.   But no lawyer worth anything would fail to ask this,  Kid:  If suspect was in distress,  and said he had trouble breathing,  why was medical assistance not brought ASAP?  why was suspect put in a restraint that specifically chokes off his ability to take full breaths?   For nearly nine minutes?    

FWiW, I think it's reprehensible to riot and burn and vandalize as a means of protest.   Innocent people are hurt.  And I think people need to wait for courts of law to do their fact-finding.   I just hope that court does a competent job.   Unswayed by any public opinion.   Period.

A cop basically stood a man’s neck for damn near minutes until he was dead.

The end.

Whatever his condition before being tortured to death is... kind of irrelevant considering the purposeful actions of the cop.


There is no legal or moral justification for this murder.

[LarryBnDC]

I just hope that court does a competent job.   Unswayed by any public opinion.   Period.

Me, too.

And if the outcome is not what most people think it should be, I hope people consider that the system works without any guarantees as to anticipated outcomes.

See: O.J. Simpson, double murder trial.

OJ wasn’t a black defendant.

OJ was the equivalent of a rich, white man.

If the cops had treated him as such and waited for a warrant he would have gotten life if not a needle.

[LarryBnDC]

No reason for this.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/traffic-stop-escalates-shootout-182004533.html

What do you think?  Impound the car?

I think the video is edited, for one, but I also have a hard time seeing one of my daughters acting in a manner consistent with the manner in which that woman did. Choices have consequences, sometimes fatal ones.

Pulled over, not for violation but because tags came back with warrants for the owner.

Why is he searching her personal property?

[kidcarter8]

Whatever his condition before being tortured to death is... kind of irrelevant considering the purposeful actions of the cop.


Is everything else also irrelevant?  Such as if there was no restraint what would the suspect have done?

[kidcarter8]

In other words, should Chauvin (and his backu) not have restrained George Floyd at all?

[josh]

In other words, should Chauvin (and his backu) not have restrained George Floyd at all?

Not the question and you know it.

[LarryBnDC]

In other words, should Chauvin (and his backu) not have restrained George Floyd at all?

He was in cuffs.

He was face down in the gutter.

Cop put full weight on the man’s neck.

He was restrained, held down and murdered.

[LarryBnDC]

Ron Johnson keeps saying the Trump supporters were peaceful, law-abiding citizens.


Marshall Cohen (at 1:15):  "He's just wrong"

Johnson is talking about his own feelings.  How could he be said to be wrong?

Had Trump won it would have been worse.  I said so all along.  And I agree with that part of Johnson's statement.  Cities simply would have burned.

Bullshit.

Y’all living in an alternative universe.

[Hamilton Samuels]

I just hope that court does a competent job.   Unswayed by any public opinion.   Period.

Me, too.

And if the outcome is not what most people think it should be, I hope people consider that the system works without any guarantees as to anticipated outcomes.

See: O.J. Simpson, double murder trial.

OJ wasn’t a black defendant.

OJ was the equivalent of a rich, white man.

If the cops had treated him as such and waited for a warrant he would have gotten life if not a needle.

Miss the point much? I didn't mention race in my comment. That's on you, because you filter every comment here through your unique racial lens.

My point is simply that everyone gets their day in court, and that high profile cases (like Oj's and Chavin's) carry with them expected outcomes for most of the public. If Chauvin were to be found not guilty, it will prove to be for many folks exactly as the OJ trial turned out---seemingly unjustifiable. But time and circumstance will dictate such.

Just be prepared.

[Hamilton Samuels]

No reason for this.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/traffic-stop-escalates-shootout-182004533.html

What do you think?  Impound the car?

I think the video is edited, for one, but I also have a hard time seeing one of my daughters acting in a manner consistent with the manner in which that woman did. Choices have consequences, sometimes fatal ones.

Pulled over, not for violation but because tags came back with warrants for the owner.

Why is he searching her personal property?

good question, which is among the reasons that I said the video is edited. Doesn't change her behavior, though. She produced the gun and shot that cop. Or did you miss that part?

[LarryBnDC]

I just hope that court does a competent job.   Unswayed by any public opinion.   Period.

Me, too.

And if the outcome is not what most people think it should be, I hope people consider that the system works without any guarantees as to anticipated outcomes.

See: O.J. Simpson, double murder trial.

OJ wasn’t a black defendant.

OJ was the equivalent of a rich, white man.

If the cops had treated him as such and waited for a warrant he would have gotten life if not a needle.

Miss the point much? I didn't mention race in my comment. That's on you, because you filter every comment here through your unique racial lens.

My point is simply that everyone gets their day in court, and that high profile cases (like Oj's and Chavin's) carry with them expected outcomes for most of the public. If Chauvin were to be found not guilty, it will prove to be for many folks exactly as the OJ trial turned out---seemingly unjustifiable. But time and circumstance will dictate such.

Just be prepared.

That's on you, because you filter every comment here through your unique racial lens.

Dude. Unique?

I’m not white.

[LarryBnDC]

No reason for this.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/traffic-stop-escalates-shootout-182004533.html

What do you think?  Impound the car?

I think the video is edited, for one, but I also have a hard time seeing one of my daughters acting in a manner consistent with the manner in which that woman did. Choices have consequences, sometimes fatal ones.

Pulled over, not for violation but because tags came back with warrants for the owner.

Why is he searching her personal property?

good question, which is among the reasons that I said the video is edited. Doesn't change her behavior, though. She produced the gun and shot that cop. Or did you miss that part?

Nope.

I think it was ‘The Cure’ who said one thing leads to another.