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1 (8.3%)

Not in the slightest

1 (8.3%)

Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hairy Lime]

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Good luck with that!

You are a little late to the dance.
Like about 150 years or so.

Good luck with that in any Court. Congress cannot remove a disability that does not exist.

[Espnthree]

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Good luck with that!

You are a little late to the dance.
Like about 150 years or so.

Good luck with that in any Court. Congress cannot remove a disability that does not exist.

There is nothing to take to court.

[facilitatorn]

Colorado has had the final say in its election. Other sensible high functioning states will soon follow suit.

[Espnthree]

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Good luck with that!

You are a little late to the dance.
Like about 150 years or so.

In fact, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is self-executing, which means that congressional action is not required. Nor is it required that the former president be convicted of the criminal offense of an insurrection or rebellion against the United States under Title 18 USC 2383.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/21/luttig-14th-amendment-trump-00132792

Well except for the fact that section 3 was repealed 150 years ago and there is no difinitive finding that Jan 6 was an insurrection.

[Oil Filter]

Well except for the fact that section 3 was repealed 150 years ago.

No it wasn't. 

[Oil Filter]

Mark Graber, law professor, breaks it down for you.

https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/20/does-14th-amendment-bar-trump-from-office-a-constitutional-scholar-explains-colorado-ruling/

[Espnthree]

Mark Graber, law professor, breaks it down for you.

https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/20/does-14th-amendment-bar-trump-from-office-a-constitutional-scholar-explains-colorado-ruling/

Specifically, the 1872 Act removed office holding disqualifications against most of the secessionists who rebelled in the American Civil War, except for "Senators and Representatives of the thirty-sixth and thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military, and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States."[5]

In the spirit of the act, then United States President Ulysses S. Grant, by proclamation dated June 1, 1872, directed all district attorneys having charge of proceedings and prosecutions against those who had been disqualified by the Fourteenth Amendment to dismiss and discontinue them, except as to persons who fall within the exceptions named in the act.[5] President Grant also pardoned all but 500 former top Confederate leaders.

Good luck trying to bar Trump using
repealed civil war legislation. No woner the constitutional scholar avoided that issue.

[facilitatorn]

Red cannot pass the poll test in his state. He will no longer be doing any voting.

[luee]

FOX NEWS FLASH
Texas takes 'historic action,' arrests thousands of migrants: 'We've moved beyond chaos'

Just bypass sleepy Joe and the fringe left.  Too little too late?   

[facilitatorn]

I am so glad you have found a new horde of lawless thugs with a primitive belief matrix to fan boy over in your feckless and ineffectual dotage, Luee.

[Hairy Lime]

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Good luck with that!

You are a little late to the dance.
Like about 150 years or so.

In fact, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is self-executing, which means that congressional action is not required. Nor is it required that the former president be convicted of the criminal offense of an insurrection or rebellion against the United States under Title 18 USC 2383.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/21/luttig-14th-amendment-trump-00132792

Well except for the fact that section 3 was repealed 150 years ago and there is no difinitive finding that Jan 6 was an insurrection.

Congress cannot repeal a Constitutional amendment.

And the state.of Colorado just made a definitive finding that January 6 was an insurrection.

[Hairy Lime]

Mark Graber, law professor, breaks it down for you.

https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/20/does-14th-amendment-bar-trump-from-office-a-constitutional-scholar-explains-colorado-ruling/

Specifically, the 1872 Act removed office holding disqualifications against most of the secessionists who rebelled in the American Civil War, except for "Senators and Representatives of the thirty-sixth and thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military, and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States."[5]

In the spirit of the act, then United States President Ulysses S. Grant, by proclamation dated June 1, 1872, directed all district attorneys having charge of proceedings and prosecutions against those who had been disqualified by the Fourteenth Amendment to dismiss and discontinue them, except as to persons who fall within the exceptions named in the act.[5] President Grant also pardoned all but 500 former top Confederate leaders.

Good luck trying to bar Trump using
repealed civil war legislation. No woner the constitutional scholar avoided that issue.

I am not sure what is more outlandishly stupid: your calling a Constitutional Amendment "legislation", or your belief Congress can repeal a Constitutional Amendment, or the idea that an act that "removed office holding disqualifications against most of the secessionists who rebelled in the American Civil War" somehow applies to someone whose Grandparent had not even been born when the Civil War ended.

[Oil Filter]

This is what the American RW has now.  Echo chambers that repeat nonsense.  It's like the windfarms kill whales story.  No matter how many times marine biologists debunk it, it keeps reproducing in the blogosphere.

A lie goes around the world six times while the truth is still putting its boots on.

[Espnthree]

The 14th amendment is still in force.
Section three was modified as to the penalties for insurrection and done so by the framework set up by the legislature drafting the 14th amendment ( 2/3rd majorities in-house and Senate.)

The lower court in Colorado ( through a bench trial) found Trump May have committed an insurrection but did not remove him from the ballot citing the office of the presidency was not included inSection3.


The Colorado SupremeCourt overturned the lower Court 4-3.

Now we await SCOTUS.

Chances are strong it will simply punt it  back to the lower court for clarification on insurrection and the role of the President.

[facilitatorn]

Red is hoping there will be some sort of republican party that is not broke, incarcerated and disgraced by late summer in spite of all available evidence.