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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

Elon Musk nails it.



Elon Musk has again railed against President Joe Biden s approach to securing the southern border, arguing that the commander-in-chief is letting millions of people into the country on purpose, so the Democrats can permanently stay in power.

Yes, he has absolutely nailed the paranoid right wing penchant for fact free irrational conspiracy theories.

And taking a good chomp on the hand that feeds him, given Democrats support of the EV industry and infrastructure.

That is the guy who lost 56 billion dollars for being a huge drag on the bottom line.

[Hairy Lime]

Elon Musk nails it.



Elon Musk has again railed against President Joe Biden s approach to securing the southern border, arguing that the commander-in-chief is letting millions of people into the country on purpose, so the Democrats can permanently stay in power.

Oz far-left PM 'Albo' is being accused of doing the same thing...massive, mostly legal immigration.
Seems to be a right wing fantasy of what liberals actually believe that has been foisted on weak minded followers, and that totally misrepresents global leftist policy today.

Whatever "global leftist policy" means, assuming it has any meaning at all, fify.

[Yankguy1]

Let's roast a groundhog!

Seriously I am not sure anyone has a complete picture on what each Arab nation can or can't do for 1.7 million displace Palestinians.  Some of those nations, one might speculate, have little capacity to absorb numbers like that.

If there is Arab indifference, how does that excuse what Israel is doing in Gaza?  The column was addressing the humanitarian crisis, not Arab policies on refugees.

Because world condemnation of the humanitarian crisis without criticizing all actors in it suggests that condemnation of Israel for its role in it is pretextual.

[jmmengel]

Bernie can still cut to the bone with a grim reality check.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/27/the-us-must-act-to-end-the-gaza-disaster

Read this through and ask yourself if you can really view Israel as only fighting with Hamas.  Israelis who are complicit in this operation are war criminals.  The US is complicit as well with the insane billions we give them to murder and starve thousands of innocent people.

I remain a Bernie Bro.

You and your Bro ought to take your Gaza Sob Story to the Arab World and ask why it does not give a shit about the refugees in Palenstine it ignores.

I agree with this point. I feel we should mark this occasion.

Duly Noted

[jmmengel]

Let's roast a groundhog!

Seriously I am not sure anyone has a complete picture on what each Arab nation can or can't do for 1.7 million displace Palestinians.  Some of those nations, one might speculate, have little capacity to absorb numbers like that.

If there is Arab indifference, how does that excuse what Israel is doing in Gaza?  The column was addressing the humanitarian crisis, not Arab policies on refugees.

It is not Arab indifference it is the real fear that refugees from Gaza will include Hamas partisans whowill destabilize other Arab nations.

[bambu.]

Let's roast a groundhog!

Seriously I am not sure anyone has a complete picture on what each Arab nation can or can't do for 1.7 million displace Palestinians.  Some of those nations, one might speculate, have little capacity to absorb numbers like that.

If there is Arab indifference, how does that excuse what Israel is doing in Gaza?  The column was addressing the humanitarian crisis, not Arab policies on refugees.

Ahem, the hostages.
Not a mention about them.
To get them back Israel is being forced to fight the Islamic terrorists and those in Gaza who support them, for every inch of ground.
"Our unborn children will be Hamas" said the Muslim woman/mother on the mini bus with other Muslim women waiting for the Palestinian prisoners to be released.
 
Aid money from Australia etc to Gaza has been paused, because a dozen people in the aid agency receiving the money (UNRWA?) , or something like that, have been discovered to be Islamic terrorists involved in the Oct 7 massacres/kidnappings in Israel.

70% of the people in Gaza are reported by experts to support Hamas, the Islamic terrorists.

[LarryB!]

Bernie can still cut to the bone with a grim reality check.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/27/the-us-must-act-to-end-the-gaza-disaster

Read this through and ask yourself if you can really view Israel as only fighting with Hamas.  Israelis who are complicit in this operation are war criminals.  The US is complicit as well with the insane billions we give them to murder and starve thousands of innocent people.

I remain a Bernie Bro.

You and your Bro ought to take your Gaza Sob Story to the Arab World and ask why it does not give a shit about the refugees in Palenstine it ignores.

I agree with this point. I feel we should mark this occasion.

Duly Noted

In one of his first pressers after Hamas barbaric atrocities, Bibi made it clear he was gonna rain down fury on Gaza with a biblical reference.

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible, and we do remember, Netanyahu said. In the first Book of  Samuel God says to punish the Amalekites, Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

[bambu.]

Children?
The photos on my news screen last night, of the three US soldiers killed in an attack on their base in Iraq, showed two of them to be Black women, one so young she looked barely out of childhood.

Rightly outraged, the US has conducted/is conducting reprisal attacks.

[Yankguy1]

Bernie can still cut to the bone with a grim reality check.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/27/the-us-must-act-to-end-the-gaza-disaster

Read this through and ask yourself if you can really view Israel as only fighting with Hamas.  Israelis who are complicit in this operation are war criminals.  The US is complicit as well with the insane billions we give them to murder and starve thousands of innocent people.

I remain a Bernie Bro.

You and your Bro ought to take your Gaza Sob Story to the Arab World and ask why it does not give a shit about the refugees in Palenstine it ignores.

I agree with this point. I feel we should mark this occasion.

Duly Noted

In one of his first pressers after Hamas barbaric atrocities, Bibi made it clear he was gonna rain down fury on Gaza with a biblical reference.

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible, and we do remember, Netanyahu said. In the first Book of  Samuel God says to punish the Amalekites, Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

Netanyahu is an absolutely horrendous human being, but  has nothing to do with what I was agreeing with Red about.

[Oilcandide]

Let's roast a groundhog!

Seriously I am not sure anyone has a complete picture on what each Arab nation can or can't do for 1.7 million displace Palestinians.  Some of those nations, one might speculate, have little capacity to absorb numbers like that.

If there is Arab indifference, how does that excuse what Israel is doing in Gaza?  The column was addressing the humanitarian crisis, not Arab policies on refugees.

Because world condemnation of the humanitarian crisis without criticizing all actors in it suggests that condemnation of Israel for its role in it is pretextual.

Well, fair point.  I'm not sure that Bernie's editorial was trying for a wide scope on who all is implicated in Gazan woes.  He was specifically looking at Israel as the one waging war, and in a manner devastating to the entire civilian population.  And the primary recipient of US money, used for the ongoing demolition of Gaza. AFAICT  Bernie is questioning what our tax dollars are being used for, and the scope of his editorial is a good fit with his job in the Senate.  I'm sure he would join you and Red in also condemning other parties to the crisis.

[FlyingVProd]

Let's roast a groundhog!

Seriously I am not sure anyone has a complete picture on what each Arab nation can or can't do for 1.7 million displace Palestinians.  Some of those nations, one might speculate, have little capacity to absorb numbers like that.

If there is Arab indifference, how does that excuse what Israel is doing in Gaza?  The column was addressing the humanitarian crisis, not Arab policies on refugees.

Abu Dhabi and Dubai are rich and they need essential workers, etc.

UNICEF will help the children, and Kiwanis International will help. There is also the Peace Corps. Etc.

And Kiwanis has a Kiwanis Village in Victoria, Canada, for refugees. And Canada is huge with a population smaller than California, Canada can use the new people to occupy their vast nation.

Salute,

Tony V.

[jmmengel]

I'm not sure that Bernie's editorial was trying for a wide scope on who all is implicated in Gazan woes.  He was specifically looking at Israel as the one waging war, and in a manner devastating to the entire civilian population.  And the primary recipient of US money, used for the ongoing demolition of Gaza. AFAICT  Bernie is questioning what our tax dollars are being used for, and the scope of his editorial is a good fit with his job in the Senate.  I'm sure he would join you and Red in also condemning other parties to the crisis.

Have you been asleep for the last 75 years or so?
The U.S was the primary mover in establishing Israel and slowly overtook Great Britain and France as the primary financial backer of Israel.
Now that Israel is a major power we have the benefit of a huge amount trade with an economic giant who is also a military powerhouse with the one of the greatest intelligence capabilities in the world.
Since we are the defacto guardians of the mid east and European shipping lanes the back of Israel is a huge counterbalance to the volatile Arab states.
Israel has been defending itself forever against the Arab bad actors who hate Jews and refuse to live in peace.
This aid comes largely in military aid and with bi partisan blessings in Congress.

If Bernie wants to criticize let him turn to Hamas. Its soldiers are the current Arab assholes who hide their citizens in military targets and refuse to let Gaza residents( except for a few) emigrate, keeping them in harm s way for propaganda bullshit.

[bambu.]

I'm not sure that Bernie's editorial was trying for a wide scope on who all is implicated in Gazan woes.  He was specifically looking at Israel as the one waging war, and in a manner devastating to the entire civilian population.  And the primary recipient of US money, used for the ongoing demolition of Gaza. AFAICT  Bernie is questioning what our tax dollars are being used for, and the scope of his editorial is a good fit with his job in the Senate.  I'm sure he would join you and Red in also condemning other parties to the crisis.

Have you been asleep for the last 75 years or so?
The U.S was the primary mover in establishing Israel and slowly overtook Great Britain and France as the primary financial backer of Israel.
Now that Israel is a major power we have the benefit of a huge amount trade with an economic giant who is also a military powerhouse with the one of the greatest intelligence capabilities in the world.
Since we are the defacto guardians of the mid east and European shipping lanes the back of Israel is a huge counterbalance to the volatile Arab states.
Israel has been defending itself forever against the Arab bad actors who hate Jews and refuse to live in peace.
This aid comes largely in military aid and with bi partisan blessings in Congress.

If Bernie wants to criticize let him turn to Hamas. Its soldiers are the current Arab assholes who hide their citizens in military targets and refuse to let Gaza residents( except for a few) emigrate, keeping them in harm s way for propaganda bullshit.

Amen.

Also, Israel seems to be America's only rock-solid true friend in the Middle East.

[LarryB!]

Bernie can still cut to the bone with a grim reality check.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/27/the-us-must-act-to-end-the-gaza-disaster

Read this through and ask yourself if you can really view Israel as only fighting with Hamas.  Israelis who are complicit in this operation are war criminals.  The US is complicit as well with the insane billions we give them to murder and starve thousands of innocent people.

I remain a Bernie Bro.

You and your Bro ought to take your Gaza Sob Story to the Arab World and ask why it does not give a shit about the refugees in Palenstine it ignores.

I agree with this point. I feel we should mark this occasion.

Duly Noted

In one of his first pressers after Hamas barbaric atrocities, Bibi made it clear he was gonna rain down fury on Gaza with a biblical reference.

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible, and we do remember, Netanyahu said. In the first Book of  Samuel God says to punish the Amalekites, Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

Netanyahu is an absolutely horrendous human being, but  has nothing to do with what I was agreeing with Red about.

Sob story?

Whatever.

[jmmengel]

The Yearly January scorecard on Presidential popularity



Eisenhower, 1956  77percent
Johnson, 1964      76 percent
Carter, 1980.        58 percent
Reagan, 1984.      55percent
Truman, 1948.      53 percent
Clinton, 1996        52 percent
Bush, 2004.          49 percent
Nixon, 1972          49 percent
Obama, 2012.       47 percent
Bush, 1992.          47 percent
Ford, 1976.           45 percent
Trump, 2020.        43 percent
Biden, 2024      38 percent


Biden is so unpopular he nixed the traditional Pre Super Bowl TV interview ,turning down an expected FREE TV audience of over 115 MILLION viewers.
I heard CBS even relented to allow Harry Lime to pepper Joe with softball questions
LOL!