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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hairy Lime]

I respect Biden for helping his son, he is in a position to do so. What kind of parent would turn their back on their son?

Salute,

Tony V.

Henry IV and Henry V.

You are right, justice, and you weigh this well.
 Therefore still bear the balance and the sword.
 And I do wish your honors may increase
 Till you do live to see a son of mine
 Offend you and obey you as I did.
 So shall I live to speak my father's words:
"Happy am I that have a man so bold
That dares do justice on my proper son;
 And not less happy, having such a son
 That would deliver up his greatness so
 Into the hands of justice." You did commit me,
 For which I do commit into your hand
Th' unstained sword that you have used to bear,
 With this remembrance: that you use the same
 With the like bold, just, and impartial spirit
 As you have done 'gainst me. 

[Oilcanard]

Notice the relative silence from Democrats the past four weeks, regarding the "bullet ballot" conspiracy theory?  Now imagine if El Douche had lost and such a theory had begun to circulate. 

[Oilcanard]

I agree that if Democrats want to continue with a platform of being better, i.e. more accountable and ethical and adherent to the rule of law, then they shouldn't be pardoning family members.  As an Independent I have tried not to be overly moved by excuse making from any place on the political spectrum.  And given how much Democrats (wisely, IMO) want to keep guns out of the hands of drug users et al, this choice of Joe's seems to have the dirty optics that turbocharges the engines of RW outrage.  No matter how heartfelt his decision, no matter how unwarranted the level of prosecutorial glee going after the president's son, the longterm effect is harmful to progressive politics.

Fuck that!

Trump pardoned Ivankas father-in-law for some real heinous shit and made him Ambassador to France!

Democrats must be better than Republicans while the GOP feels free to steal Supreme Court seats (two at last count) lie about the outcome of the 2020 election  and failing to overturn that election staged an insurrection/coup to OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT and Biden is supposed to just throw his son into the gaping maw of those guys?

Really?

Not really saying that.  Just that Joe should not pull any presidential strings on Hunters behalf.  He can help Hunter pay whatever tax penalties are imposed, contribute to legal fees, all that stuff is between family members.  But Joe going back on his word is sad and disappointing AF.

[Hairy Lime]

I agree that if Democrats want to continue with a platform of being better, i.e. more accountable and ethical and adherent to the rule of law, then they shouldn't be pardoning family members.  As an Independent I have tried not to be overly moved by excuse making from any place on the political spectrum.  And given how much Democrats (wisely, IMO) want to keep guns out of the hands of drug users et al, this choice of Joe's seems to have the dirty optics that turbocharges the engines of RW outrage.  No matter how heartfelt his decision, no matter how unwarranted the level of prosecutorial glee going after the president's son, the longterm effect is harmful to progressive politics.

Fuck that!

Trump pardoned Ivankas father-in-law for some real heinous shit and made him Ambassador to France!

Democrats must be better than Republicans while the GOP feels free to steal Supreme Court seats (two at last count) lie about the outcome of the 2020 election  and failing to overturn that election staged an insurrection/coup to OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT and Biden is supposed to just throw his son into the gaping maw of those guys?

Really?

Not really saying that.  Just that Joe should not pull any presidential strings on Hunters behalf.  He can help Hunter pay whatever tax penalties are imposed, contribute to legal fees, all that stuff is between family members.  But Joe going back on his word is sad and disappointing AF.

I agree with that, and I would add that the whole idea that Hunter was treated they way he was sellectively prosecuted because he is Biden's son does not sway me. He should be held to a higher standard. That is one reason why I thinkTrump's claim that he is being selectively prosecuted is bull shit. We should expect public servants and those close to them to be like Caeser's wife, beyond reproach. I can empathize with the idea that this concept would endanger people who did not deliberately put themselves into the crossfire, but Hunter made love to this employment.

The other reason Trump's claim of selective prosecution is bull shit is that is is factually bull shit. In part it is because some of his conduct is sui generis. No other person has tried to subvert an election in the way he has, or treated their duty regarding classified documents the way he did.

[jmmengel]

I would add that the whole idea that Hunter was treated that way he was sellectively prosecuted because he is Biden s son does not sway me. He should be held to a higher standard.

 

The Judge in the case asserts Hunter was never singled out.

two federal judges expressly rejected Biden  arguments that the Government prosecuted Mr. Biden because of his familial relation to the President. And the ATTORNEY GENERAL under Joe Biden and Department of Justice personnel oversaw the investigation leading to the charges.
U.S. District Judge Mark Scarsi.
The judge voiced his displeasure that the president alerted the judicial system of his order to pardon his son via a White House press release.
Rather than providing a true and correct copy of the pardon with the notice, Mr. Biden provided a hyperlink to a White House press release presenting a statement by the President regarding the pardon and the purported text of the pardon. A Press Release is not a pardon.
The Judge also accused President Biden of rewriting history maintaining  The Supreme Court long has recognized that, notwithstanding its nearly unlimited nature, the pardon power extends only to past offenses.

[Hairy Lime]

I would add that the whole idea that Hunter was treated that way he was sellectively prosecuted because he is Biden s son does not sway me. He should be held to a higher standard.

 

The Judge in the case asserts Hunter was never singled out.

two federal judges expressly rejected Biden  arguments that the Government prosecuted Mr. Biden because of his familial relation to the President. And the ATTORNEY GENERAL under Joe Biden and Department of Justice personnel oversaw the investigation leading to the charges.
U.S. District Judge Mark Scarsi.
The judge voiced his displeasure that the president alerted the judicial system of his order to pardon his son via a White House press release.
Rather than providing a true and correct copy of the pardon with the notice, Mr. Biden provided a hyperlink to a White House press release presenting a statement by the President regarding the pardon and the purported text of the pardon. A Press Release is not a pardon.
The Judge also accused President Biden of rewriting history maintaining  The Supreme Court long has recognized that, notwithstanding its nearly unlimited nature, the pardon power extends only to past offenses?

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

[Hairy Lime]

I would add that the whole idea that Hunter was treated that way he was sellectively prosecuted because he is Biden s son does not sway me. He should be held to a higher standard.

 

The Judge in the case asserts Hunter was never singled out.

So do the NY judges and prosecutors about Trump's fraud conviction. That does not stop him or his ovine acolytes from insisting otherwise.

Personally, I suspect confusion between "I was singled out because of politics" with "If I had not been so prominent politically no one would have caught me" which are two different things.

[LarryBnDC]

I agree that if Democrats want to continue with a platform of being better, i.e. more accountable and ethical and adherent to the rule of law, then they shouldn't be pardoning family members.  As an Independent I have tried not to be overly moved by excuse making from any place on the political spectrum.  And given how much Democrats (wisely, IMO) want to keep guns out of the hands of drug users et al, this choice of Joe's seems to have the dirty optics that turbocharges the engines of RW outrage.  No matter how heartfelt his decision, no matter how unwarranted the level of prosecutorial glee going after the president's son, the longterm effect is harmful to progressive politics.

Fuck that!

Trump pardoned Ivankas father-in-law for some real heinous shit and made him Ambassador to France!

Democrats must be better than Republicans while the GOP feels free to steal Supreme Court seats (two at last count) lie about the outcome of the 2020 election  and failing to overturn that election staged an insurrection/coup to OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT and Biden is supposed to just throw his son into the gaping maw of those guys?

Really?

Not really saying that.  Just that Joe should not pull any presidential strings on Hunters behalf.  He can help Hunter pay whatever tax penalties are imposed, contribute to legal fees, all that stuff is between family members.  But Joe going back on his word is sad and disappointing AF.

Hunter paid the taxes and the penalties and had come to an agreement with the DOJ on the gun charges that got blown up by a judge.

Dude lied on a gun purchase, for fucks sake.

If Hunter was not named Biden his prosecution would not have been as aggressive. 

You can be disappointed all you goddamned please but there is no way I would throw my CHILD to the wolves just to satisfy those who believe Democrats must be pure while the GOP wins by rolling in the muck.

[jmmengel]

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

How is anything Trump did connected to Hunter?

[Hairy Lime]

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

How is anything Trump did connected to Hunter?

Whooosh.

[jmmengel]

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

How is anything Trump did connected to Hunter?

Whooosh.

Whoosh is right. TDS is alive with you, even where there is no context.

[Hairy Lime]

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

How is anything Trump did connected to Hunter?

Whooosh.

Whoosh is right. TDS is alive with you, even where there is no context.

It is you inability to conceptualize that is the issue.

[jmmengel]

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

How is anything Trump did connected to Hunter?

Whooosh.

Whoosh is right. TDS is alive with you, even where there is no context.

It is you inability to conceptualize that is the issue.

No it is not. You just want to change the subject.
The Hunter mess and the Joe Biden lie have nothing to do with your hatred of Trump outside if TDS.

[Hairy Lime]

Wait. Hunter was pardoned for future offenses? Really? How long does he have to go all Purge on Trump's ass?

How is anything Trump did connected to Hunter?

Whooosh.

Whoosh is right. TDS is alive with you, even where there is no context.

It is you inability to conceptualize that is the issue.

No it is not. You just want to change the subject.
The Hunter mess and the Joe Biden lie have nothing to do with your hatred of Trump outside if TDS.

Yes it is. You tried to claim that the truism that you cannot pardon for future crimes has some connection to the Biden pardon. Rather than simply telling you that the pardon has specific dates for the pardoned actions, none of which is in the future, I decided to run with what a blanket pardon for future acts could mean. You, as always since your limited congestive abilities render you unable to recognize any point but your own, could not follow it. As expected.

[FlyingVProd]

God forgave David for his sins pertaining to his love affair with Bathsheba and sending her husband to be killed in battle so that he could have her, God sees all and knows all and God loved David, and David had good favor with God so God forgave David.

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David's story is told in the Bible and can be found in 2 Samuel 12. David's confession of his sins is recorded in Psalm 51.

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So Biden forgave Hunter the same as how God forgave David, Hunter has good favor with Biden.

Salute,

Tony V.