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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

and Mitch said Trump was guilty after the Senate trial.


This is a misleading statement within this conversation

Guilty of bad judgement.  Bad behavior.  (Mitch's thoughts, that is)

What he was impeached for - probably not so much.

Reconstructing what Mitch said to make it more palatable to you would work better had he not been very clear.

Trump incited a riot.

As you pointed out, yourself, the only reason he pretends he did not vote to convict was the bogus post-presidency claim.

[facilitatorn]

We’ll all be talking about 14th amendment sanctions for handfuls of republican current and former officeholders with particularly damning digital trails pinning them to the planning and build up along with their active roles in the insurrection itself all through Thanksgiving when so much more of the evidence has come out and been pieced together.

If three republicans hold, two Dems can jump ship and the sanctions will go into effect.

[josh]

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[kidcarter8]

Sucks

Shout out to my folks in HOU.

Thanks for the update.

[luee]

Everything is hunky dory in central Florida except the guv is a jerk.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Bank missed the part where just by going through with impeaching, not even convicting Trump the Democrats now need to face a Harris impeachment, if not others down the line.

Cooler heads will likely prevail - but rest assured there will be discussion - and a need/ask for public explanation by the VP, minimally.

Just what, precisely, do you think Harris would be impeached for?

Being a Democratic VP (or President) after the Dems (and GOP members) impeached Trump twice.

Retribution, nothing else.

He admitted as much earlier.

That’s a lie.
Typical Josh. Ignorant 

[bambu.]

Seems cops in America are no longer holding 20 minute roadside debates about winding the window all the way down and stepping out of the car with people they intend to issue a citation, people with attitude who won't obey directions...and want to argue.
One woman just had her window smashed, and was helped out of her car, put in handcuffs and placed in the back seat of a police car.
Had trouble keeping to her lane and the cop could smell alcohol...youtube video.

In my world, you get fined $464 and lose 3 demerit points if caught driving with a pet or person on your lap.
$581 and 4 demerit points if caught in doing so in a school zone.
No 20 minute debates about pets' rights, human rights, or anything else.

[bankshot1]

and Mitch said Trump was guilty after the Senate trial.


This is a misleading statement within this conversation

Guilty of bad judgement.  Bad behavior.  (Mitch's thoughts, that is)

What he was impeached for - probably not so much.

No kid it is not misleading.

McConnell laid the insurrection directly at Trump's feet.

But he did it after he voted to acquit on a flimsy self-fabricated technicality.

McConnell basically said, please feel free to "lock him up"

Your weak and flaccid assertion that McConnell said Trump guilty of nothing more than bad judgement or bad behavior so understates the truth as to make you look more idiotic than you usually are. 

I will quote McConnell's statement (the opening) and ask again if the substance of his statement had been know before and not after the vote, what would the consequences have been?

"January 6th was a disgrace.
"American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like.

"Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the Vice President.

"They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth — because he was angry he'd lost an election.

"Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.

"The House accused the former President of, quote, 'incitement.' That is a specific term from the criminal law.

"Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago:

There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.

"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President."

In the context of my question, which part of McConnell's statement says not-guilty to you?

What part of that statement would not have convinced at least 1 of 43 to reconsideer their vote to acquit?

[facilitatorn]

Bank missed the part where just by going through with impeaching, not even convicting Trump the Democrats now need to face a Harris impeachment, if not others down the line.

Cooler heads will likely prevail - but rest assured there will be discussion - and a need/ask for public explanation by the VP, minimally.

Just what, precisely, do you think Harris would be impeached for?

Being a Democratic VP (or President) after the Dems (and GOP members) impeached Trump twice.

Retribution, nothing else.

He admitted as much earlier.

That’s a lie.
Typical Josh. Ignorant

You’ve burst Red’s bubble, josh. Impeaching Harris was the one though keeping Red warm through the unfolding decline and fall of the republican party.

[facilitatorn]

Banks, you seem to be asking if Mitch stood clearly against trump would some of the lemmings and jellyfish in the GOP caucus be in more terror of the turtle than the snake to the point where they’d change their vote.

Given that opportunity an even wider cleft would emerge in the GOP dooming Mitch to a minority, likely one too small to filibuster with (should he manage to save the crappy provision now). Mitch is hoping to rally the trump troops in 2022, even at the cost of driving away and repulsing every reasonable conservative and republican. He may already figure that damage has been done and those numbers aren’t as significant to his chances.

It’s a bad bet, but Mitch is fundamentally a coward which is why he didn’t find out how many lemmings in his caucus he could drag with him by taking a principled stand.

[facilitatorn]

1/6 commission underway with a hard push for subpoena and referral powers at the outset.

[bankshot1]

Banks, you seem to be asking if Mitch stood clearly against trump would some of the lemmings and jellyfish in the GOP caucus be in more terror of the turtle than the snake to the point where they’d change their vote.

Given that opportunity an even wider cleft would emerge in the GOP dooming Mitch to a minority, likely one too small to filibuster with (should he manage to save the crappy provision now). Mitch is hoping to rally the trump troops in 2022, even at the cost of driving away and repulsing every reasonable conservative and republican. He may already figure that damage has been done and those numbers aren’t as significant to his chances.

It’s a bad bet, but Mitch is fundamentally a coward which is why he didn’t find out how many lemmings in his caucus he could drag with him by taking a principled stand.

Fac. I posted a hypothetical using MM's statement. If MM was interested in convicting Trump or increasing odds to do so, he would have made his statement before the  vote. It was a powerful indictment and a clear-cut vote of Trump's guilt. But he chose not to.

 As I posted before, Mitch tried to thread the needle with the rope meant for Pence's neck.

MM did not want to piss off the Trump voters by voting guilty and threaten to lose his Senate leadership role, but he also understood that when somewhere between 57-67% of the American public also understood Trump's guilt and treason. And those voters would not be the conduit to his path back to majority leader.

So he middled it, by acquited Trump, but condemned him and his guilt after the vote.

It was cowardly, but Machivellian Mitch saw it as the best path towards his reacquiring his lost power.

The war for the rotting corpse of the GQP is now on.

[kidcarter8]

How many of the 74 million do you think you get in '24?

[josh]

Bank missed the part where just by going through with impeaching, not even convicting Trump the Democrats now need to face a Harris impeachment, if not others down the line.

Cooler heads will likely prevail - but rest assured there will be discussion - and a need/ask for public explanation by the VP, minimally.

Just what, precisely, do you think Harris would be impeached for?

Being a Democratic VP (or President) after the Dems (and GOP members) impeached Trump twice.

Retribution, nothing else.

He admitted as much earlier.

That’s a lie.
Typical Josh. Ignorant

You’ve burst Red’s bubble, josh. Impeaching Harris was the one though keeping Red warm through the unfolding decline and fall of the republican party.

Why are you responding to the proven liar and scum, Ward, again?

People kept telling me to stop. I stopped.

[josh]

How many of the 74 million do you think you get in '24?

Wrong question, Kid.

How many of the 74 million do you think you keep in '24?

We don't need them to win. We win if we keep ours, but we also win if you get many fewer of those 74 million.

And you will.