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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hamilton Samuels]

The One Vaccine Efficacy Number That Truly Matters — Faye Flam
Something sounds fishy when public-health experts advise us to take whatever vaccine is available even though some vaccines show much more promising efficacy numbers than others. And it’s understandable that people would want to shop for the best vaccine. Americans are accustomed to the idea of consumer choice in pharmaceuticals — why else would we have so much direct-to-consumer drug advertising? But cut through the noise and there’s only one thing that really matters: All three FDA-authorized vaccines seem to work equally well — close to 100% — at preventing hospitalization and death.

That message has gotten diluted in the reporting around the efficacy numbers for different vaccines. The efficacy numbers associated with the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines came in at around 95%, while the newly approved Johnson & Johnson vaccine has shown a less impressive 72% in the U.S., and even lower in other countries. As risk-communication expert Peter Sandman says, people remember from school that 95% usually earns an A, and 72% a C at best.

The problem is that numbers most touted to measure “efficacy” measure various degrees of symptoms plus a positive test — criteria that vary some from trial to trial. They don’t measure what’s most important: protection against hospitalization and death.


PAYWALL, but...https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-06/which-covid-vaccine-is-the-best-moderna-pfizer-or-johnson-johnson?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=210313&utm_campaign=sharetheview

[barton]

In other words, should Chauvin (and his backu) not have restrained George Floyd at all?

Third paragraph of my reply to you.   

[barton]

And the videos show us nothing to suggest that George Floyd was an extreme case.


I specifically directed you to the Carlson segment that had the ENTIRETY of audio/video from the incident.  What had been shown by networks previously did not tell the entire tale.

As I said at the time, some of you would not bother watching it - and some would watch but then ignore.

I watched it.   Some facts,  regarding his blood level of  fentanyl, and that his respiratory problems were happening before his restraint,  are relevant and will be scrutinized at trial I'm sure.   It is possible that he was dying,  that officers didn't grasp this,  and that excessive force (though appearing callous) was not the primary COD. 

Pitted against that will be questions about that use of force (which is inarguably brutal) and why Chauvin et al were not able to make the logical leap from a man who is clearly high and having breathing trouble to him having cardiopulmonary problems that needed prompt medical attention. 

 I will reserve judgment until those questions are answered.   But no lawyer worth anything would fail to ask this,  Kid:  If suspect was in distress,  and said he had trouble breathing,  why was medical assistance not brought ASAP?  why was suspect put in a restraint that specifically chokes off his ability to take full breaths?   For nearly nine minutes?    

FWiW, I think it's reprehensible to riot and burn and vandalize as a means of protest.   Innocent people are hurt.  And I think people need to wait for courts of law to do their fact-finding.   I just hope that court does a competent job.   Unswayed by any public opinion.   Period.

A cop basically stood a man’s neck for damn near minutes until he was dead.

The end.

Whatever his condition before being tortured to death is... kind of irrelevant considering the purposeful actions of the cop.


There is no legal or moral justification for this murder.

Which my third paragraph addresses.   That's the crux,  IMO.  Why was such compressive force used on a man who informed them umpteen times he was having trouble breathing ?   

[kidcarter8]

In other words, should Chauvin (and his backu) not have restrained George Floyd at all?

Third paragraph of my reply to you.

You asked why he was retrained.  Do you mean at all?

Law enforcement world over snickers at you.

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/2021/03/14/coronavirus-vaccine-card-photo-covid-selfie/4657396001/

Don't be stupid.

[barton]

How many people believe Red wrote that himself?

For me the funniest thing is how fast Red went from "the liberal left is ignoring the sexual harassment scandal surrounding Cuomo" to "the liberal left is focusing on the sexual harassment scandal surrounding Cuomo to cancel him because he is not liberal enough". It would be dizzying were it not entirely predictable.

And by "Red", yes, I mean the right wing web sites Red pulls his stuff from verbatim.

Your post had nothing to do with the point I made.
Not even close.
You made up words to fit your biases.
But then you do that a lot.

Then tell us,  IN YOUR OWN WORDS,  what you see as the best course for the Left,  and why.   Instead of gibes,  make a reasoned argument. 

[barton]

And I'm not a dude.

Wait...what?   

[barton]

In other words, should Chauvin (and his backu) not have restrained George Floyd at all?

Third paragraph of my reply to you.

You asked why he was retrained.  Do you mean at all?

Law enforcement world over snickers at you.

Don't be deliberately stupid.  Of course that's not what I'm asking.    The question is why a cuffed man,  at that point clearly ill,  needs the further restraint of having his neck sat on for nine minutes.   Is that possibly an important question at trial?   

[REDSTATEWARD]

How many people believe Red wrote that himself?

For me the funniest thing is how fast Red went from "the liberal left is ignoring the sexual harassment scandal surrounding Cuomo" to "the liberal left is focusing on the sexual harassment scandal surrounding Cuomo to cancel him because he is not liberal enough". It would be dizzying were it not entirely predictable.

And by "Red", yes, I mean the right wing web sites Red pulls his stuff from verbatim.

Your post had nothing to do with the point I made.
Not even close.
You made up words to fit your biases.
But then you do that a lot.

Then tell us,  IN YOUR OWN WORDS,  what you see as the best course for the Left,  and why.   Instead of gibes,  make a reasoned argument.

Already did, twice.
That is why you and Lime did not repeat them.
But I will make my point again.
Cuomo is an embarrassment to the Proressives.  He is a boil on their image.
They want him to go away and fast.
So on with the allegations of sexual misconduct, it is one story the media loves to cover.
Let’s talk about that and ignore the real issue which is the Cuomo Administrations’ cover up of the number of deaths on New York elderly nursing home patients.( not to mention newer evidence of deaths of developmentally  disabled people) That story will take longer to prove and also includes a lot of collateral damage to the Party.

[bankshot1]

Cuomo is a very powerful pol with a lot of enemies in NY who see a chance to get rid of him.

This is pols seeing blood in the water and feeding.

Cuomo's demise opens new opportunities.

They don't care if they grab him on the nursing home deaths or the allegations of sexual harassment and abuse of power.

Although I suspect the nursing home issue could snag a few more people and cause some wide spread problems than the sexual harassment issue.

The hypocrisy is not the that Red wants accountability for the covid issue, its that Red's desire for accountability always seems to be a 1-way street.

As Trump's lies and incompetence killed 500,000 Americans there was not one fucking word from Red.

SSDD

[kidcarter8]

Trump was not re-elected.

Not likely will Cuomo.

I assume all you Democrats want Cuomo impeached, to be consistent

Can't say I do.

[FlyingVProd]

The Native American Indians are fighting to stop a Canadian company from mining near Death Valley...

https://ktla.com/news/california/native-tribes-fighting-corporation-that-wants-to-mine-for-gold-near-death-valley/

We need the gold, we sometimes use gold to save world economies from collapsing over night, etc. Gold is important. But, here is an idea, if the Native American Indians want to make sure that the mining is done as clean and safe as possible then the Native American Indians should do the mining themselves, instead of the Canadians doing it. Americans must have the first chance when it comes to operations in the USA, with gold, with oil, with timber, etc. Also with seafood, etc. American companies need to have the first chance when it comes to opportunities in the USA. The Native Americans can make money, and they can make sure that the mining is done as clean as possible, etc.

The Lakota Tribe is drilling oil on their reservation land, and other tribes can make money too. I would rather have the Native American Indians make money from the oil instead of foreign nations.

And in Alaska the Native Americans make money from seafood, etc.

The San Manuel Tribe has casinos.

The Seminole Tribe owns the Hard Rock Cafe.

The Native American Indians need to hook up with the Bank of New York Mellon and the Natives can make the money instead of foreign countries when it comes to the bountiful resources of the USA. There is no need for the Tribes to live in poverty. The Tribes can be rich.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bankshot1]

Trump was not re-elected.

Not likely will Cuomo.

I assume all you Democrats want Cuomo impeached, to be consistent

Can't say I do.

Trump was impeached twice but only after investigations and fact-finding.

To be consistent there first should be an investigation of Cuomo.

[Hamilton Samuels]

And I'm not a dude.

Wait...what?

I'm an adult man. A dude is a less than fully formed frontal cortex fop who uses terms like...well, "dude".

[LarryBnDC]

And I'm not a dude.

Wait...what?

I'm an adult man. A dude is a less than fully formed frontal cortex fop who uses terms like...well, "dude".