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Should the US be concerned about an invasion of Ukraine by Russia?

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Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM


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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5956 on: April 25, 2021, 09:32:06 AM »


Some thoughts on the shooting in Columbus:

I find it hard to believe that a teenage girl has any skills at using a knife to inflict mortal wounds in
a matter of seconds...


DJ,  I agree some of your questions are important and deserve investigation.   However,  you should not find it hard to believe anyone can inflict a mortal wound with a steak knife (or similar) in a second or two.   It happens.  And it can happen in a street fight even where skill levels are low.   Multiple arteries lie not far from the surface of a human body and can be opened up with one slash.
But how did they know it was a steak knife and not a prop knife?  Didn't see Elliot and Wagner impulsively gun down Ransom, did you? No, they waited to get all the facts!

Well,  that case was more like a donut with a smaller donut in the middle of it with its own tiny hole.   
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5957 on: April 25, 2021, 09:46:55 AM »

Is the petroleum industry ready for extruded hemp to replace whole swathes of popular plastic applications starting with bags and straws?


Given that polyethylene is what they're pinning their hopes on (building new plants even as we speak) (creating new cancer clusters,  as ethylene oxide is a serious carcinogen), we may confidently say "hell no. "  And their opening salvos against hemp will probably include "that land could grow food!" 
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« Reply #5958 on: April 25, 2021, 10:05:37 AM »

I'll reply to both Larry and DJ:  I don't absolve the cop,  nor do I want to skip questions about what police are trained to do when a knife is drawn.   I'm saying that this cop is probably trained to see the swinging knife (prop knife,  butter knife,  or other) as a lethal threat and made a decision in haste.  By it's very nature,  such a split second act will miss all the nuances,  and insights into teenagers,  and so on.   Though it's impossible to say,  his decision could have been influenced by beliefs about skin color and violence -- that's beyond the powers of human investigation, as we lack the ability to precisely recreate this exact scenario with this shooter and a white teen girl in some alternate universe.

If anything goes on trial,  it would have to be what police officers are trained,  and equipped, to do in such situations.  And what discretion they feel they have,  when children are involved.   
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5959 on: April 25, 2021, 10:31:42 AM »

Police are three times more likely to end encounters with black through lethal force.



https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/
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« Reply #5960 on: April 25, 2021, 10:45:20 AM »

Minny has become a hell of a state to live in based on police. Glad Amy did not win.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5961 on: April 25, 2021, 10:55:25 AM »

Police are three times more likely to end encounters with black through lethal force.



https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/


10,000,000 arrests

24 whites killed by cops
18 blacks
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5962 on: April 25, 2021, 11:23:45 AM »

Math is our friend...

42 killings.  18/42 = 43% of them are blacks

However,  only 13% of US population is black. 

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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5963 on: April 25, 2021, 11:28:48 AM »

In 2019, 259 Black people were killed by police in the United States. This compares to 182 Hispanics, 13 Native Americans, and 406 White people. The rate of police shootings of Black Americans is much higher than any other ethnicity, at 30 per million people. This rate stands at 23 per million for Hispanics and 12 per million for Whites. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124036/number-people-killed-police-ethnicity-us/

So,  Kid,  your numbers seem quite low,  and possibly wrong unless there was some magical full year in which police only killed 42. 
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barton

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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5964 on: April 25, 2021, 11:34:16 AM »

Wow,  it looks like you,  KC,  didn't even read Larry's link and its statistical analysis...

This was THE FIRST PARAGRAPH....


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  Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.... 

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« Reply #5965 on: April 25, 2021, 11:35:07 AM »

In 2019, 259 Black people were killed by police in the United States. This compares to 182 Hispanics, 13 Native Americans, and 406 White people. The rate of police shootings of Black Americans is much higher than any other ethnicity, at 30 per million people. This rate stands at 23 per million for Hispanics and 12 per million for Whites. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124036/number-people-killed-police-ethnicity-us/

So,  Kid,  your numbers seem quite low,  and possibly wrong unless there was some magical full year in which police only killed 42.

Still wondering where that figure came from.   
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5966 on: April 25, 2021, 12:01:32 PM »

Math is our friend...

42 killings.  18/42 = 43% of them are blacks

However,  only 13% of US population is black.
Except those figures were for unarmed persons killed.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5967 on: April 25, 2021, 12:02:36 PM »

Math is our friend...

42 killings.  18/42 = 43% of them are blacks

However,  only 13% of US population is black.

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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5968 on: April 25, 2021, 12:03:39 PM »

Wow,  it looks like you,  KC,  didn't even read Larry's link and its statistical analysis...


No

I didn't
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #5969 on: April 25, 2021, 12:09:34 PM »

Regarding Police Training and deadly force 

The key is the legal threshold for the use of lethal force.
The Columbus police manual states: “Sworn personnel may use deadly force when the involved personnel have reason to believe the response is objectively reasonable to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious physical harm.”
That language is derived from Tennessee v. Garner in 1985 and other Supreme Court cases.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
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