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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

My science/philosophy website is dead,  btw.   Two days ago.   Apparently, the former owner had unwittingly sold his web assets to a company in Lancaster PA that turned out to be fraudulent,  the owner running some sort of website "development" Ponzi scheme on thousands of websites that allowed him to bilk $100 million.   The SEC seized it,  and the web assets are now in receivership.   Someone handling that apparently tried to upgrade the PHP software,  crashed the whole thing,  and then shut down the account.

So,  zero warning (or awareness that we were owned by a criminal mastermind the past 20 months), members wake up Wednesday and the site is gone.   I was going to make a bid myself at the liquidation auction on June 10, but apparently the first round is for huge bundles of websites sold as single lots,  so who knows where the site will end up.   

So,  be grateful to liquidsilver for hanging on to this place and paying the hosting fees and DN registration.

That's very unfortunate!

Any idea how much of the prior information was saved on the Wayback Machine?

And what kinds of stuff did it have? Was it primarily a message board or did it have articles and the like from the site's members or outsiders?

[josh]

E from E doesn't seem to have any formally expressed rules (like,  in the TOS when you register) , so it's hard to enforce rules of polite discourse or do banning (temp or perm).

Below are some pretty formally expressed rules.

It is, in fact, hard to enforce the rules without your consent. The day you folks indicate you want the rules enforced, I will enforce (and abide by) them. As it is, I try to enforce the rules about invasion of privacy and Federal law. It is invasion of privacy that got Ham/Utley/Piggy/whomever banned the last time and I would be well within my authority to remove him, since he did not return with permission.

And he has shown a predilection to doing it more. Nor is it just doxing that violates that rule.

BTW, it is because of the difficulty of moderating the message board that Liq has largely taken off from here. I am unsure that he would leave it up and running if I decided I wanted out, too. Before I would leave, I would appoint somebody here to take over (by giving them my renamed account, probably). But it is sorely tempting to just walk.

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[Hamilton Samuels]

I vote against banning.   I sometimes see valid points that Uno makes (not that that's important),  but find myself reluctant to say so because so many of his points are packaged with personal insults, strawman arguments,  and telling us his BMI and how much higher Larry's is.   

If he could make his more thoughtful points about the illiberal Left,  without making it personal and without having to pin someone to the mat and chew their limbs off,  I'd probably pay more attention and not view him as a troll.   

As for "tolerance, " visiting a privately owned website is essentially like being a guest in someone's home.  If you're asked to take off your shoes at the door and refrain from swearing or punching walls,  you comply with that if you wish to stay.   Those restrictions do not reflect intolerance,  just house rules.   If you like the ambience,  you abide by them.   E from E doesn't seem to have any formally expressed rules (like,  in the TOS when you register) , so it's hard to enforce rules of polite discourse or do banning (temp or perm).

 Lots of good points here, but I've never seen you address the personal insults that are routinely used by Whiskey, Fac, Larry, etc, and directed at others like kid, Bambu, red.

Not that I take it personally, but try to be consistent.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Why don't you find a place where everyone's as tough as you?

If you know of one.

[kidcarter8]

That's why so much is let go, UT.

Because they all violate the agreement (and I guess I do at times as well)

It's a "call it the same for both teams" type thing.  Mostly.  Of course some members given more leeway for being staunch Dems.

Heh.

[Hamilton Samuels]

That's why so much is let go, UT.

Because they all violate the agreement (and I guess I do at times as well)

It's a "call it the same for both teams" type thing.  Mostly.  Of course some members given more leeway for being staunch Dems.

Heh.

Yep. If the pitch is on the black for the home team, it should be the same for the visitors.

[Hamilton Samuels]

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https://news.yahoo.com/senate-republicans-kill-jan-6-commission-on-pro-trump-capitol-riot-162334929.html

Gutless

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[barton]

My science/philosophy website is dead,  btw.   Two days ago.   Apparently, the former owner had unwittingly sold his web assets to a company in Lancaster PA that turned out to be fraudulent,  the owner running some sort of website "development" Ponzi scheme on thousands of websites that allowed him to bilk $100 million.   The SEC seized it,  and the web assets are now in receivership.   Someone handling that apparently tried to upgrade the PHP software,  crashed the whole thing,  and then shut down the account.

So,  zero warning (or awareness that we were owned by a criminal mastermind the past 20 months), members wake up Wednesday and the site is gone.   I was going to make a bid myself at the liquidation auction on June 10, but apparently the first round is for huge bundles of websites sold as single lots,  so who knows where the site will end up.   

So,  be grateful to liquidsilver for hanging on to this place and paying the hosting fees and DN registration.

That's very unfortunate!

Any idea how much of the prior information was saved on the Wayback Machine?

And what kinds of stuff did it have? Was it primarily a message board or did it have articles and the like from the site's members or outsiders?

The guy handling the receivership thinks the data is still there, so maybe it can be restored at some point.  Something like 300,000 threads, with nearly 25,000 members at its peak, so it used to be quite busy.  It was mainly a message board, but with some member blogs (including physicist Don Lincoln, who works at FermiLab and has published popular books on physics) and some OP's that were pretty impressive essays on various themes in science and philosophy.  At one time, we had a good range of members, from science professionals to young students just discovering science to literate barstool philosophers, with some doctors and fossil hunters tossed in, but our arc seemed to follow that of many message boards in the past few years.  The DN is sciencechatforum.com (it used to have an attached chat room, back when those were popular).

If the site disappears, the one remaining moderator and I might try to set up a MB somewhere else for the remaining active members, and I would invite some of you to that.  I know BoDiddley expressed an interest, when he left here a few weeks back.   

[Hamilton Samuels]

Do as I say, not as I do...

A Black Lives Matter co-founder has resigned from her role as executive director amid controversy over her $3m property portfolio.

Patrisse Cullors, who founded the racial justice movement in 2013, is a self-described “Marxist” but faced criticism after it was reported last month that she owns four properties, including a $1.4m house in Malibu and a ranch in Georgia.

...BLM said she had "received a total of $120,000 since the organisation's inception” following the 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida.

This was for duties such as serving as spokesperson and engaging in political education work.

Claims that she had misused donations to purchase property were strongly denied and last month she told the Black News Channel that suggestions of financial impropriety against her were "categorically untrue and incredibly dangerous".

But she faced criticism from BLM organisers over the way she has spent her money.

“If you go around calling yourself a socialist, you have to ask how much of her own personal money is going to charitable causes,” Hawk Newsome, a Black Lives Matter organiser, told The New York Post.

"It's really sad because it makes people doubt the validity of the movement."

BLM collected $90 million in donations last year, as the movement hit the global spotlight following the murder of George Floyd by police officer Derek Chauvin, in Minneapolis.

The foundation spent a third of that sum in 2020 on operating expenses, grants to black-led organisations and other charitable giving.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/blm-co-founder-quits-movements-100648506.html


It's always about the money.

[Hamilton Samuels]

White journalist sues Chicago mayor over POC press policy

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-journalist-sues-chicago-mayor-211400766.html

POC Press Policy is a POS policy

[bankshot1]

If there is a vote, as a general matter I'm against bans.

most of Utley's stuff is sticks and stones, but some of those stones are thrown high and inside, and some aimed at the nuts, its a nasty brand of ball. But its just a game. I found it fun to throw back at him until he got tired of getting hit. And he generally did. Hence his several handles.

But even with his long history of lack of command, he does throw strikes from time to time. And on some stuff he's not wrong, but I find it somewhat objectionable to post in agreement, or defend his POV, unless he's playing 1 on gazillion. I don't like encouraging his darker side, which need no encouragement at all to be expressed, but I don't like bullying either. Freedom of expression is tricky stuff. 

But having said that, his threat to disclose private info is in my book a suspendable offense, and he's been warned several times. IMO posting private info, without prior approval of the other party, is bannable. That's just wrong. And at this point these is no excuse for it.

[Oilcanary]

I defuse all doxxing by just disclosing upfront that my real name is Heironymous Pantelonavich, and I live in Far Tottering, a suburb of St Louis, MO.  So as to distinguish myself from the several other people with my name in the White Pages, I add that I'm a funeral director at the AbandonAllHope Mortuary and Protein Recycling Company, LLC. 

I vote to keep Buckwheat McUtley around. 

But Mitch McConnell should be banned from the Senate if he uses the phrase "promote healing" ONE MORE FUCKING TIME.

[facilitatorn]

I tolerate Utley’s awful personality and failure to post interesting or relevant content. But as a good friend, I like to remind him when he posts in public that he’s covered himself head to toe in wet shit.

I don’t know who’s shit it is, but from the smell the unknown shitter needs to see a gastroenterologist very soon or at least have their life insurance paid up.

Thanks to the treason caucus, the republican terror plot of 1/6 will be in the hands of a special prosecutor by Labor Day which is where it should have been by 1/8. Better late than never.

Our choice is simple, behead the cracker army or watch the nation burn.

[facilitatorn]

I defuse all doxxing by just disclosing upfront that my real name is Heironymous Pantelonavich, and I live in Far Tottering, a suburb of St Louis, MO.  So as to distinguish myself from the several other people with my name in the White Pages, I add that I'm a funeral director at the AbandonAllHope Mortuary and Protein Recycling Company, LLC. 

I vote to keep Buckwheat McUtley around. 

But Mitch McConnell should be banned from the Senate if he uses the phrase "promote healing" ONE MORE FUCKING TIME.

[Hamilton Samuels]

If there is a vote, as a general matter I'm against bans.

most of Utley's stuff is sticks and stones, but some of those stones are thrown high and inside, and some aimed at the nuts, its a nasty brand of ball. But its just a game. I found it fun to throw back at him until he got tired of getting hit. And he generally did. Hence his several handles.

But even with his long history of lack of command, he does throw strikes from time to time. And on some stuff he's not wrong, but I find it somewhat objectionable to post in agreement, or defend his POV, unless he's playing 1 on gazillion. I don't like encouraging his darker side, which need no encouragement at all to be expressed, but I don't like bullying either. Freedom of expression is tricky stuff. 

But having said that, his threat to disclose private info is in my book a suspendable offense, and he's been warned several times. IMO posting private info, without prior approval of the other party, is bannable. That's just wrong. And at this point these is no excuse for it.

1. I've made no threat to disclose private info.

2. It it spelled "it's" unless it's to show ownership of the word it, then it's spelled "its".