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Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

Flynn says his words have been twisted.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/31/politics/michael-flynn-qanon/index.html

[Hamilton Samuels]

If banks and I are in sync on an issue, then you know that there is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Yup. Fragile whiteness.

We’re not wasting horses or men putting you back together.

The thing about a good egg like you is there’s no telling where the head ends and the big big ass begins.

Another example of the racist and dismissive nature of the arrogant woke. 

Anyone who thinks that banks and I are "fragile" has apparently a less than firm grip on reality.

[Hairy Lime]

Josh,  why do I have to keep answering verification questions?   And why does the New York Times question require newbies to figure out it has to have a "The" in front of it?   For that matter,  why is this a question people need to know the answer to?   Are all newcomers required to know our site history before they join?   And the verification letter code is extremely hard to read.   

Hi,  Banks.   Newton says hello.   Heh.

Hi Bart-I was pretty certain Molly wasn't one of Hammy's or Red's alter-egos.

Really there's a history entrance exam to gain entry to Elba?

It sounds like we're designed to keep people out and not be inclusive!

This should be thoroughly discussed by the Island's Council of Extremely Woke

LMAO


 

HA!

The agenda is already quite crowded. Maybe they'll get to that by next Tuesday.

I doubt a request to have new members find their way in (without having to know what happened sixteen years ago) makes anyone woke.  I remain an Independent, fiscal conservative, and iconoclast beholden to no party or platform. 

Since "woke" seems to now be a vague slur that has no real agreed meaning, I will only say that I think skewing Left in states like Iowa probably is counterproductive if the Democratic Party is seeking to expand its influence there.  That said, I see no wrong in being awakened to genuine areas of social injustice and realizing you want to speak out against them.  Those are real issues that deserve genuine discussion on their logic and evidence, and not on single-word smears like "woke," which seem to be the easy recourse of lazy minds.  Like "social justice warrior," rather than just post wiki entries, it might be more fruitful to state in clear terms where you believe the pursuit of social justice is mistaken or wrong.  As the hard-to-find HAIRY LIME has pointed out, what is wrong with fighting for social justice? 

Did I just see a cat run into the shadowed doorway?

Being woke is fine, if it is restricted to attempting to address injustice and equality in a fair and just manner.

One might ask, also, who among us has always been treated fairly?

The problem with the woke crowd has become its penchant for shutting down real debate, for creating a hidden tightrope of closed-mindedness that one must walk. The end game is to go after anyone who does not align perfectly with the woke values, values that seem often to reflect the opposite of the original intent of the woke.

One can not preach tolerance and inclusion, without practicing it, and that is what is happening here.

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly. The world is messy; there are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”---President Obama, in a 2019 interview for the Obama Foundation on youth activism.

Take Little Stevie, the Committed Catholic of AZ. His commentary to almost anyone with whom he disagrees is a perfect example of doing the exact opposite of what Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." 

Too many folks here run around labeling everyone they disagree with a "racist"; they're more likely to create a racist than they are to stop someone from being one.

If you want others to be "woke", live what you preach.

Name one of the SJWs here who has shown they do that.

I know of no one here who labels everyone they disagree with racist. I describe YOU as a racist because you post things that indicate YOU are a racist, Buckwheat. You are judged by what you post.

Thanks for proving my point. If you were consistent as a moral umpire, that would be one thing, but you've never once held anyone here accountable for the racism contained within their posts that use words like "cracker" and frame all issues as the problem of whitey, or characterized the entire GOP membership as old white men whose goal is to oppress POC.

As for being judged, Jesus will be happy to remember this exchange on Judgement Day.

I realize you dislike having your racism pointed out to you. I also realize you want to isolate Larry so you can continue your racist harassment of him without having to deal with other people. Too bad. I will point out your racism when it is relevant. I will not allow you to cancel me by bullying.

[Holly Martins]

OC-Elba was a web site started and sponsored by a banned NYT poster, Trish, who ran it with an iron-fist. I think she started it in '02-'04. A few here were invited to join. I would drop in there from time to time, but it wasn't my cup of tea. I got excommunicated in a trial held there for making fun of Trish. On one thread I was arguing with Cap Cargo about baseball and on another thread presenting my defense. It was hilarious. 

I referred to it as Elba and liq ran with it when he opened this place. 

Wow, I never knew that in all my Nilson or Barton years.  But I do remember Trish in the film forums at NYT, and later at the Third Eye website where she would sometimes drop in. 

Thanks for the history lesson! 

The science forums at the NYT were a pretty good place, too, and I was sorry to see them fold.  George Johnson ran them, and did a great job.  Some of that crowd moved to a site called Gormono, but it just faded to dust after a few years.  Was run by some plumber in the Boston area named Bob Zeller who loved the fringe science stuff.

[bankshot1]

And Holly

That said, I see no wrong in being awakened to genuine areas of social injustice and realizing you want to speak out against them. 

I agree, the key word is genuine.

IMO there is little to be gained by pointing guilty fingers at people who laughed 10 years ago at what are now politically incorrect jokes, or fire 20 somethings for a twitter post made as a teen-ager, or censor movies made 50 years ago.
Or spouting stupid slogans like "defund police" that only will retard real social progress by pissing off mostly decent voters who are tired of the woke bullshit, who will say, "fuck them all" and stay home.

I could give you a more pointed example, but seeing as you're new here, I will restrain my self-righteous bullshit.

Well now, everything has excess. Id est quod est.

The one thing I would point out is that things like movies and books and jokes still have the power of immediate experience. Which includes the power to hurt and extend negative stereotypes and pointing out issues with, say, Gone With the Wind, or some of Dr. Seuss's work, or - God knows I am a committed Marxist of the Grouchoian sort but - A Day at the Races serves a current purpose.

I remember the first time I saw Duck Soup, a classic, one of the greatest comedies ever made, or first time as somewhat woke, and heard the "Armstrong" joke, my jaw dropped, but I laughed.

The scene should be deleted, or the movie banned.

As a personal aside I was scarred for life reading The Merchant of Venice.

There probably should be a warning on that book too.

Same with Dicken's Oliver Twist.

Right?

[facilitatorn]

The vast preponderance of white racists who are politically active in America identify as republicans thanks to the southern strategy, right wing nut job media, and the fact that they can’t find a home anywhere else. White racists have been steadily pushing everyone who isn’t white racist themselves out of that party for at least a generation now creating a situation where the vast preponderance of still politically active republicans are white racists as the white racists have driven most who are not white racist out of positions of power and reasons to be active in it, if not out of the party entirely.

The limit of this function is all republicans are white racists. That limit is approaching very rapidly.

You can dispute it, but you can’t refute it.

Some may try, but only the chuckleheads and they will fail again as always.

As for judgment, Coyote has given me a hall pass because of the good work I do and because judgement is constant and for some it it’s always the end time.

[Hairy Lime]

OC-Elba was a web site started and sponsored by a banned NYT poster, Trish, who ran it with an iron-fist. I think she started it in '02-'04. A few here were invited to join. I would drop in there from time to time, but it wasn't my cup of tea. I got excommunicated in a trial held there for making fun of Trish. On one thread I was arguing with Cap Cargo about baseball and on another thread presenting my defense. It was hilarious. 

I referred to it as Elba and liq ran with it when he opened this place. 

Wow, I never knew that in all my Nilson or Barton years.  But I do remember Trish in the film forums at NYT, and later at the Third Eye website where she would sometimes drop in. 

Thanks for the history lesson! 

The science forums at the NYT were a pretty good place, too, and I was sorry to see them fold.  George Johnson ran them, and did a great job.  Some of that crowd moved to a site called Gormono, but it just faded to dust after a few years.  Was run by some plumber in the Boston area named Bob Zeller who loved the fringe science stuff.

Thaf was a diffferent Trish. This one was pure Yankee forum.

I actually held her dictatorial powers when she was absent. I found i had the power to let people in and also edit posts. I had planned to let Hamton in and edit all of his posts to read "I am a raging jackass" until it was made clear to me that administration of her forum was like voting in Texas for black people: it was a power i could only exercise provided i didn't try to exercise it.

[Hairy Lime]

If banks and I are in sync on an issue, then you know that there is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Yup. Fragile whiteness.

We’re not wasting horses or men putting you back together.

The thing about a good egg like you is there’s no telling where the head ends and the big big ass begins.

Another example of the racist and dismissive nature of the arrogant woke. 

Anyone who thinks that banks and I are "fragile" has apparently a less than firm grip on reality.

Yes, pointing out white racism is racist. Got it, racist.

Though I do not think you and banks are on the same page. I think you are a racist trying to co-opt the arguments of others to suit your purposes.

[josh]

https://apnews.com/article/europe-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-laws-religion-6aa5ce9537419375091fdcf335c74f78

Pope makes sexual abuse by clergy against Vatican laws.

(You mean it wasn't?!)

[luee]

Some great times on the NY times message board. Nice pick up by Elba, not quite the same without the backing though.

[facilitatorn]

If banks and I are in sync on an issue, then you know that there is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Yup. Fragile whiteness.

We’re not wasting horses or men putting you back together.

The thing about a good egg like you is there’s no telling where the head ends and the big big ass begins.

Another example of the racist and dismissive nature of the arrogant woke. 

Anyone who thinks that banks and I are "fragile" has apparently a less than firm grip on reality.

If you weren’t so clumsy, you’d have been delicious poached.

You can’t seem to fight destiny with the paltry tools you have at hand.

[facilitatorn]

Some great times on the NY times message board. Nice pick up by Elba, not quite the same without the backing though.

The Times brand helped draw randos the way lovely esoteric Elba sadly does not. Hamsam has fallen to chewing on himself to keep his teeth sharp.

[Hairy Lime]

And Holly

That said, I see no wrong in being awakened to genuine areas of social injustice and realizing you want to speak out against them. 

I agree, the key word is genuine.

IMO there is little to be gained by pointing guilty fingers at people who laughed 10 years ago at what are now politically incorrect jokes, or fire 20 somethings for a twitter post made as a teen-ager, or censor movies made 50 years ago.
Or spouting stupid slogans like "defund police" that only will retard real social progress by pissing off mostly decent voters who are tired of the woke bullshit, who will say, "fuck them all" and stay home.

I could give you a more pointed example, but seeing as you're new here, I will restrain my self-righteous bullshit.

Well now, everything has excess. Id est quod est.

The one thing I would point out is that things like movies and books and jokes still have the power of immediate experience. Which includes the power to hurt and extend negative stereotypes and pointing out issues with, say, Gone With the Wind, or some of Dr. Seuss's work, or - God knows I am a committed Marxist of the Grouchoian sort but - A Day at the Races serves a current purpose.

I remember the first time I saw Duck Soup, a classic, one of the greatest comedies ever made, or first time as somewhat woke, and heard the "Armstrong" joke, my jaw dropped, but I laughed.

The scene should be deleted, or the movie banned.

As a personal aside I was scarred for life reading The Merchant of Venice.

There probably should be a warning on that book too.

Same with Dicken's Oliver Twist.

Right?

I am not for outright bans or changes in artistic vision, but if the copyright holder wants to cease publishing or showing the work, that is their right. But yes, warnings for offensive content or trying to restrict access is advisable on occasion.

As an example, there is a Steven Vincent Benet poem called American Names that I recalled enjoying. I was trying to recall the last lines (Roughly, You can bury my body in the Sussex grass, You can bury my tongue at Chalmendly[that is what I needed to look up, some place in France], I shall not be there, I shall rise and pass. Bury my heart at Wounded Knee). It was not in my recent copy of The Oxford Book of American Poetry, so I looked it up in the older edition I had inherited from my grandmother. And was appalled. I think excluding it from published compilations is right. But that does not extend to condemning Dee Brown for using a line as a title.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Josh,  why do I have to keep answering verification questions?   And why does the New York Times question require newbies to figure out it has to have a "The" in front of it?   For that matter,  why is this a question people need to know the answer to?   Are all newcomers required to know our site history before they join?   And the verification letter code is extremely hard to read.   

Hi,  Banks.   Newton says hello.   Heh.

Hi Bart-I was pretty certain Molly wasn't one of Hammy's or Red's alter-egos.

Really there's a history entrance exam to gain entry to Elba?

It sounds like we're designed to keep people out and not be inclusive!

This should be thoroughly discussed by the Island's Council of Extremely Woke

LMAO


 

HA!

The agenda is already quite crowded. Maybe they'll get to that by next Tuesday.

I doubt a request to have new members find their way in (without having to know what happened sixteen years ago) makes anyone woke.  I remain an Independent, fiscal conservative, and iconoclast beholden to no party or platform. 

Since "woke" seems to now be a vague slur that has no real agreed meaning, I will only say that I think skewing Left in states like Iowa probably is counterproductive if the Democratic Party is seeking to expand its influence there.  That said, I see no wrong in being awakened to genuine areas of social injustice and realizing you want to speak out against them.  Those are real issues that deserve genuine discussion on their logic and evidence, and not on single-word smears like "woke," which seem to be the easy recourse of lazy minds.  Like "social justice warrior," rather than just post wiki entries, it might be more fruitful to state in clear terms where you believe the pursuit of social justice is mistaken or wrong.  As the hard-to-find HAIRY LIME has pointed out, what is wrong with fighting for social justice? 

Did I just see a cat run into the shadowed doorway?

Being woke is fine, if it is restricted to attempting to address injustice and equality in a fair and just manner.

One might ask, also, who among us has always been treated fairly?

The problem with the woke crowd has become its penchant for shutting down real debate, for creating a hidden tightrope of closed-mindedness that one must walk. The end game is to go after anyone who does not align perfectly with the woke values, values that seem often to reflect the opposite of the original intent of the woke.

One can not preach tolerance and inclusion, without practicing it, and that is what is happening here.

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly. The world is messy; there are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”---President Obama, in a 2019 interview for the Obama Foundation on youth activism.

Take Little Stevie, the Committed Catholic of AZ. His commentary to almost anyone with whom he disagrees is a perfect example of doing the exact opposite of what Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." 

Too many folks here run around labeling everyone they disagree with a "racist"; they're more likely to create a racist than they are to stop someone from being one.

If you want others to be "woke", live what you preach.

Name one of the SJWs here who has shown they do that.

I know of no one here who labels everyone they disagree with racist. I describe YOU as a racist because you post things that indicate YOU are a racist, Buckwheat. You are judged by what you post.

Thanks for proving my point. If you were consistent as a moral umpire, that would be one thing, but you've never once held anyone here accountable for the racism contained within their posts that use words like "cracker" and frame all issues as the problem of whitey, or characterized the entire GOP membership as old white men whose goal is to oppress POC.

As for being judged, Jesus will be happy to remember this exchange on Judgement Day.

I realize you dislike having your racism pointed out to you. I also realize you want to isolate Larry so you can continue your racist harassment of him without having to deal with other people. Too bad. I will point out your racism when it is relevant. I will not allow you to cancel me by bullying.

By riding to Larry's rescue every time he is confronted with another one of his distortions and miscues you indicate your own racist view that he is incapable of defending himself and needs your white liberal "help", thereby securing your own place above him.

Whereas I have always treated Larry exactly as he treats others.

[Hamilton Samuels]

If banks and I are in sync on an issue, then you know that there is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Yup. Fragile whiteness.

We’re not wasting horses or men putting you back together.

The thing about a good egg like you is there’s no telling where the head ends and the big big ass begins.

Another example of the racist and dismissive nature of the arrogant woke. 

Anyone who thinks that banks and I are "fragile" has apparently a less than firm grip on reality.

If you weren’t so clumsy, you’d have been delicious poached.

You can’t seem to fight destiny with the paltry tools you have at hand.

If you had a brain, you'd learn from others' mistakes.