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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryBnDC]

Some similarities between the CRT troll and the Omar troll.

By the time Republicans and centrist Democrats had united late last week to scold Representative Ilhan Omar for a tweet—one of the few pastimes that still draw the two parties together, and something those selfsame chiders would doubtlessly decry, under different circumstances, as cancel culture or censorship—it no longer mattered what, exactly, Omar had said. They had already managed to make a news cycle out of it: mission accomplished.

Now, following Democratic outrage and Republican calls for a floor vote to strip Omar of her committee assignments, let me record the following for posterity: Omar demonstrably did not say what she’s been accused of having said; what she did say was true; and every politico using this opportunity to take a swing at her likely knows those two things—they just think you don’t...   

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/what-ilhan-omar-actually-said/619196/

I doubt any bashers here will read all of this article and concede any of its factual points,  but YNK.

Good piece - thanks

And?   You agree?   With some points,  not others?  Care to expand?   

And Banks,  not really understanding why you single out Omar for using Twitter, like,  erm,  every other politician in America.   

Nor do I understand why it's wrong to point out that international criminal courts should impartially look at all war atrocities,  regardless of how nice we think a country is.   Indeed,  I would think those countries purported to be standard bearers of democracy and human rights should be subject to the most careful scrutiny.

OC I've commented on positions from politicians right and left and center that I disagree with. And have for years.

And this is a political forum.

And Omar is fair game.

In this instance I responded and commented and expanded upon a post Josh made about Omar about a week ago, where he said he thought she was wrong and should apologize. And I banged her on the tweet.

And there is nothing wrong about making comments about international criminal courts....

I never said there was.

But what she did was de-link that issue, where she questioned Blinken, and which maybe 1 out of 100,000 people may have been familiar with that specifically, and then tweeted her tweet which many people, not just me (or Josh) saw an a false equivalence.

And then under pressure she clarified and backed down on what was, when read on a stand alone basis, clearly a false equivalence.

But that's how she set it up.

She stepped in her pile of crap and had to scrape the shit right off her shoe.
 
If there is one thing we should have learned over the past 5 years is Twitter is a powerful medium for spreading anything, news and fake news, truth and lies, information and propaganda, for good and ill. IMO, Omar wanted to spread this headline for political gain to her followers and supporters. She after all is a politican. But if she wanted to discuss the issue in depth, and in context, she could have done so very easily through a press release rather than a 2-line tweet that she knew, or should have known was explosive. But IMO she did not give a shit and she got her headline.

I hope that clears it up for you.

Sheesh...

[josh]

No wonder Jeff Bezos was to get off earth and take a long ride in space.

11 minutes.

Sooo long a ride.

[luee]

Poor Ilhan

 She has spoken about school bullying she endured during her time in Virginia, stimulated by her distinctive Somali appearance and wearing of the hijab. She recalls gum being pressed into her hijab, being pushed down stairs, and physical taunts while she was changing for gym class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

No wonder she has a chip on her shoulder and says slanderous outrageous things about infidel Americans and Israelis. Oh no, gum in her hijab. No respect at all for big Mo!  In Somalia we cut off your hand and sew up your lips, it is so written.

[LarryBnDC]

Jon Stewart’s Monday rant about the Wuhan Coronavirus was laughed off as satire by Elba regulars.
But the Washington Post? It was insulted.
Seems columnist Paul Waldman took it personally that Stewart would express an opinion contrary to the Post’s
Progressive bullshit. This despite the fact Waldman says he agnostic on the theory Covid-19 escaped from the Wuhan Lab. And keep in mind the Post just recently called that theory “ DEBUNKED! “
Well, except the Post now has retracted that.
No wonder Jeff Bezos was to get off earth and take a long ride in space.

LOL!

Laugh cretin.

600,000 dead and a cratered economy because of the way Trump handled the crisis once the virus hit the shores.

No amount of cutting and pasting winger talking points is gonna change that.

[LarryBnDC]

Poor Ilhan

 She has spoken about school bullying she endured during her time in Virginia, stimulated by her distinctive Somali appearance and wearing of the hijab. She recalls gum being pressed into her hijab, being pushed down stairs, and physical taunts while she was changing for gym class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

No wonder she has a chip on her shoulder and says slanderous outrageous things about infidel Americans and Israelis. Oh no, gum in her hijab. No respect at all for big Mo!  In Somalia we cut off your hand and sew up your lips, it is so written.

it is so written you’re a fucking Islamaphobe. Not a good look, luee.

[bankshot1]

Red seems to count me as an irregular. (I think he's had me on iggy pre-Trump '16 election)

I thought Stewart was hilarious but also made some good observations with his comedy.

I've no idea where the virus came from, and can not rule out any point of origin, tainted bat down at the Wuhan wet market, or the lab.

But to be safe, I'd stay away from the all you can eat buffalo bat wings down at the market. 

And look with a jaundiced eye as Repubs try like hell to mask (the only fucking mask they approve of) Trump's culpability in spreading this disease with his lies and incompetence.

[josh]

Poor Ilhan

 She has spoken about school bullying she endured during her time in Virginia, stimulated by her distinctive Somali appearance and wearing of the hijab. She recalls gum being pressed into her hijab, being pushed down stairs, and physical taunts while she was changing for gym class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

No wonder she has a chip on her shoulder and says slanderous outrageous things about infidel Americans and Israelis. Oh no, gum in her hijab. No respect at all for big Mo!  In Somalia we cut off your hand and sew up your lips, it is so written.

Because being mistreated and bullied is okay if you were at risk of death and maiming before.

Got it.

[facilitatorn]

First round of Biden-Putin talks ends early.




Joe had to tinkle.

You should inform the White House about your diaper brand, Kiid. Is it the same brand decrepit trump uses?

[luee]

Poor Ilhan

 She has spoken about school bullying she endured during her time in Virginia, stimulated by her distinctive Somali appearance and wearing of the hijab. She recalls gum being pressed into her hijab, being pushed down stairs, and physical taunts while she was changing for gym class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

No wonder she has a chip on her shoulder and says slanderous outrageous things about infidel Americans and Israelis. Oh no, gum in her hijab. No respect at all for big Mo!  In Somalia we cut off your hand and sew up your lips, it is so written.

it is so written you’re a fucking Islamaphobe. Not a good look, luee.

Yes since 9-11.  Do you think Islam is an inherently peaceful religion that's been perverted by a small percentage of followers or is it an inherently violent religion?

[facilitatorn]

After all, Putin's core foreign policy goal is the fracturing of US political stability and prestige. He is accused of meddling in two elections to help ex-President Donald Trump – the top homegrown threat to US democracy.



L O fuckin L


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/biden-putin-meeting-geneva-updates-intl/index.html

You don’t believe Putin and Russia interfered in our elections?

In that case can i interest you in a little dacha on the Black Sea?

Russia doesn’t fuck around with deviants like Kiid. It would be straight to gulag for Kiid, which he’d find just like his current set up stuck in his mother’s basement only without the internet connection.

That alone makes it worthwhile for us to encourage him to flee to a country more to his liking.

[facilitatorn]

Since you are up, Banks, I look forward to your answers

But if you have questions rather than baseless charges, I'd be happy to answer them

Can we “have the same level of accountability and justice for all victims of crimes against humanity” at the same time as we take into account and “judge relativity and context” of the victimization?

Should acts by Hegemonic nations or international bodies (those with the power to act) addressing crimes against humanity gauge their response more by the circumstance of the victims in effort to do right by them or more by where the perpetrators of the crimes against humanity (a clearly defined term agreed to via treaty that you can look up) fall on a scale of atrocity committers?

If the focus should be on perpetrators rather than victims, should the scale we judge perpetrators on be based on all-time crimes against humanity or just ones by regimes still in power or recent crimes against humanity or only those exactly concurrent?

Can there be justice for victims without punishment for perpetrators or are the two inextricably linked in a zero sum equation?

In terms of actions against perpetrators, is there a difference between punitive and preventive measures? Is one preferable to the other in crafting a response?

I’ll stop here. Hopefully in answering with nuance and substance, Banks, in however many characters that takes you, you can deliver something worth gnawing on that relates to the topic rather than the personalities discussing it.

 

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2021/06/16/rep-kevin-mccarthys-popularity-continues-to-slide-even-among-republicans/

Lapdogs and stooges don’t make a good impression. Kevin missed the memo.

Sad.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.vox.com/2021/6/15/22533202/winston-smith-deona-knajdek-uptown-minneapolis

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-family-dynastic-wealth-pandemic

[LarryBnDC]

Poor Ilhan

 She has spoken about school bullying she endured during her time in Virginia, stimulated by her distinctive Somali appearance and wearing of the hijab. She recalls gum being pressed into her hijab, being pushed down stairs, and physical taunts while she was changing for gym class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

No wonder she has a chip on her shoulder and says slanderous outrageous things about infidel Americans and Israelis. Oh no, gum in her hijab. No respect at all for big Mo!  In Somalia we cut off your hand and sew up your lips, it is so written.

it is so written you’re a fucking Islamaphobe. Not a good look, luee.

Yes since 9-11.  Do you think Islam is an inherently peaceful religion that's been perverted by a small percentage of followers or is it an inherently violent religion?

Yes, it is a peaceful religion perverted by a small percentage of assholes, Just like Evangelical Christians who have strayed off the path and are violent white supremacists.

Don’t forget who helped build Al Qaeda in the first place.