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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryBnDC]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

You are both an asshole and a nitwit.

If you have two feet it is possible that both shoes can fit at once.

Why don't you attack his statement instead of him, fac? Is Nelson Mandela equated with Osama Bin Laden?

Campbell's soup was only soup until Andy Warhol elevated it to art.

Was Nelson Mandela elevated to freedom fighter, or was he a terrorist?

As with most revolutionaries he was both.

[REDSTATEWARD]

So Sleepy Joe woke up after his Mano a Mano with Putin and took offense at a reporter’s question.
It did not sit well with the fourth estate :

"If you’re the most powerful person in the world and you can’t field questions from the media without losing your temper, maybe you’re in the wrong business," New York Magazine's Olivia Nuzzi tweeted afterward.
Gee. The initial question came from a female reporter and the tweet from a leftist media  known as a lap dog for the dems.

Shame on you, Joe.
LOL!

[Holly Martins]

You're overthinking it, Che.

When someone attacks you while stating that their primary purpose is to destroy you and your way of life, do you not have an obligation and a right to defend yourself?

I mean, if you think it's all about the perpetrators, begin at the beginning, Che.

No terrorism, no counterattack.

You view terrorism as the beginning? Interesting place to start.

Do, a deer,  a female deer....

What's missing from several posters here is a grasp of what terrorism comes from.   Groups of people that lack the military power to wage war tend to respond to stronger oppressors with terror attacks.   I haven't read up the thread yet,  but I feel someone is going to point out that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.   

Julie Andrews has much to teach us..

[Holly Martins]

]You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

Well that was quick.

[LarryBnDC]

So Sleepy Joe woke up after his Mano a Mano with Putin and took offense at a reporter’s question.
It did not sit well with the fourth estate :

"If you’re the most powerful person in the world and you can’t field questions from the media without losing your temper, maybe you’re in the wrong business," New York Magazine's Olivia Nuzzi tweeted afterward.
Gee. The initial question came from a female reporter and the tweet from a leftist media  known as a lap dog for the dems.

Shame on you, Joe.
LOL!

”U.S. President Donald Trump said that President Vladimir Putin "was extremely strong and powerful in his denial" that Russia was involved in hacking aimed at influencing the 2016 U.S. election. Speaking at a joint news conference in Helsinki on July 16, Putin said that "no one can be trusted" but that the leaders needed to find common points of interest. The meeting came days after a U.S. special prosecutor indicted 12 Russian agents in connection with the theft of Democratic Party documents ahead of the U.S. election”.


How’s that Post-Soviet boot taste?
https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-putin-denial/29368416.html

Meanwhile he came out and apologized to Kaitlin Collins.

[Holly Martins]

It's so strange that people talk about "Islam" like this single monolithic thing, but are liable to get huffy if someone does that with Christianity.  Christianity, they will hasten to remind you, is a vast range of sects that encompasses mainstream Protestants, Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, secular humanist Unitarians, Roman Catholics (with a dizzying array of beliefs that range from Leftist to Far Right Conservative), Eastern Orthodox, et al.  Their practices vary considerably, their attitude towards other religions vary considerably, some reject politics, others embrace political activism, some are hawkish, some are dove-ish, some preach asceticism, others preach getting as rich as you can....need I go on?  Perhaps it would be wise to consider that Islam is also not a monolith, with its adherents all marching along in perfect lockstep.

Well, hey now. If that were true, we’d see some sort of evidence of some factional conflict within Islam.

[REDSTATEWARD]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted for his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

[Holly Martins]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.

And not mutually exclusive.   

[LarryBnDC]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

After the Sharpeville Massacre Mandela renounced his stance on non violent resistant and took the ANC underground where he led the military wing also known as Spear of the Nation and they blew shit up.

[Yankguy1]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted for his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

He was thrown into jail by the South African government for conspiracy to overthrow the government through the SACP and another group the South African government regarded as being dedicated to the violent overthrow of the government.  The South African government viewed Mandela as a terrorist and rebel, even as the ever-enlightened Red did not.  Which is the point of the "one man's terrorist...." cliche I cited.  Another example, I guess, was  Menachem Begin.

[facilitatorn]

So Sleepy Joe woke up after his Mano a Mano with Putin and took offense at a reporter’s question.
It did not sit well with the fourth estate :

"If you’re the most powerful person in the world and you can’t field questions from the media without losing your temper, maybe you’re in the wrong business," New York Magazine's Olivia Nuzzi tweeted afterward.
Gee. The initial question came from a female reporter and the tweet from a leftist media  known as a lap dog for the dems.

Shame on you, Joe.
LOL!

That was laughable. It also further proves that you are more of an asshole than a nitwit if you can recognize that what you spew is crap the moment it leaves your mouth.

[LarryBnDC]

So Sleepy Joe woke up after his Mano a Mano with Putin and took offense at a reporter’s question.
It did not sit well with the fourth estate :

"If you’re the most powerful person in the world and you can’t field questions from the media without losing your temper, maybe you’re in the wrong business," New York Magazine's Olivia Nuzzi tweeted afterward.
Gee. The initial question came from a female reporter and the tweet from a leftist media  known as a lap dog for the dems.

Shame on you, Joe.
LOL!

That was laughable. It also further proves that you are more of an asshole than a nitwit if you can recognize that what you spew is crap the moment it leaves your mouth.

He is just regurgitating the winger seditionist talking points

[Hamilton Samuels]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

You are both an asshole and a nitwit.

If you have two feet it is possible that both shoes can fit at once.

Why don't you attack his statement instead of him, fac? Is Nelson Mandela equated with Osama Bin Laden?

Campbell's soup was only soup until Andy Warhol elevated it to art.

Was Nelson Mandela elevated to freedom fighter, or was he a terrorist?

Those who read and reason recognized right away the structural mirroring of one being a terrorist & a freedom fighter at the same time with the further possibility one could be decidedly more of one than the other while still being a bit of both and Red’s being both an asshole and a nitwit who, unlike you, is more asshole than nitwit.

Don’t feel victimized by that last comment, Hamfisted. I’m not saying you aren’t an epic incredible intercontinental incontinent asshole. It’s just your degree of dunderheaded dumbass nitwithood keeps your asshole exceptionalism in the shade.

Read twice. Write once. Then erase without posting. We’ll all think better of you for it.

I see you can't answer a question, but would rather launch attacks on those who would ask you to think.

Thinking is hard for you, yes, and you keep proving that with each dim-witted post. 


Your imperious nature emanates from your sincere lack of self-worth and the kind of self-delusion that leads to fatal mistakes.

Keep taking your chlordiazepoxide, be kind to the attendants, and they may let you out soon.

And, though your little sister will never forgive you for what you've done, in a decade or two, you may be able to take care of yourself instead of relying on public assistance as you currently do.

 

 


 

[Hamilton Samuels]

You're overthinking it, Che.

When someone attacks you while stating that their primary purpose is to destroy you and your way of life, do you not have an obligation and a right to defend yourself?

I mean, if you think it's all about the perpetrators, begin at the beginning, Che.

No terrorism, no counterattack.

You view terrorism as the beginning? Interesting place to start.

Do, a deer,  a female deer....

What's missing from several posters here is a grasp of what terrorism comes from.   Groups of people that lack the military power to wage war tend to respond to stronger oppressors with terror attacks.   I haven't read up the thread yet,  but I feel someone is going to point out that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.   

Julie Andrews has much to teach us..

Timothy McVeigh teach you that?

[REDSTATEWARD]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted for his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

He was thrown into jail by the South African government for conspiracy to overthrow the government through the SACP and another group the South African government regarded as being dedicated to the violent overthrow of the government.  The South African government viewed Mandela as a terrorist and rebel, even as the ever-enlightened Red did not.  Which is the point of the "one man's terrorist...." cliche I cited.  Another example, I guess, was  Menachem Begin.

Critical thinking escapes you.
But it is enlightening to know that if a black man fights back against white supremacism ( while avoiding attacking innocent civilians) it’s your definition of terrorism.
If Nelson Mandela is to labeled a terrorist by you there are a ton of historians who beg to differ.