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Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM


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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #10815 on: June 28, 2021, 11:44:02 AM »

I think it's kind and unreasonably hopeful of the press,  and rescuers,  to keep saying "over 150 unaccounted for, " in Surfside.  I think we know where they are.  When a 12 story stack of massive concrete slabs comes pancaking down on you,  you're probably not surviving.   The four survivors were miracles,  really.   And while it's true there could be voids in the basement parking garage, how many people are in their parking garage on a weekday night at 130 am?

Emily Dickinson had it right.   Hope is the thing with feathers.

Actually THIRTY-FIVE were rescued.
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« Reply #10816 on: June 28, 2021, 11:45:58 AM »

Chicago mass shootings not even treated as such by most media - since it was just street crime.

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« Reply #10817 on: June 28, 2021, 11:48:19 AM »

And yes, the "street crime" perpetrators are mentally ill, like many of the mass shooters that have shot at groups in recent years.

But many see one group as evil, the other just "troubled".
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #10818 on: June 28, 2021, 12:22:38 PM »

Hold the gun manufacturers libel. Shootings will go down. Pull lisences of RW media broadcast outlets and conglomerates and shootings will go down. Offer jobs with real futures that provide a real opportunity and shootings will go down. Make firearms owners insurance mandatory for any firearms purchases and shootings will go down. Destroy the republicans and their program of death and destruction and shootings will go down.
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« Reply #10819 on: June 28, 2021, 12:39:40 PM »

Hold the gun manufacturers libel. Shootings will go down. Pull lisences of RW media broadcast outlets and conglomerates and shootings will go down. Offer jobs with real futures that provide a real opportunity and shootings will go down. Make firearms owners insurance mandatory for any firearms purchases and shootings will go down. Destroy the republicans and their program of death and destruction and shootings will go down.

Liable, presumably.
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« Reply #10820 on: June 28, 2021, 12:41:59 PM »

Important non-decision from SCOTUS:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/28/politics/gavin-grimm-supreme-court/index.html

Trans kids can use the bathroom of their chosen gender in schools in the 4th, 7th, and 11th districts. Others are up in the air, for the time being.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #10821 on: June 28, 2021, 12:44:06 PM »

Hold the gun manufacturers libel. Shootings will go down. Pull lisences of RW media broadcast outlets and conglomerates and shootings will go down. Offer jobs with real futures that provide a real opportunity and shootings will go down. Make firearms owners insurance mandatory for any firearms purchases and shootings will go down. Destroy the republicans and their program of death and destruction and shootings will go down.

Thanks to the GOP you can’t sue gun manufacturers. Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act in 2005.
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« Reply #10822 on: June 28, 2021, 12:58:22 PM »

New twist in FL:

Florida town told the residents their building was safe after the report was issued in 2018
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #10823 on: June 28, 2021, 01:10:56 PM »

I think it's kind and unreasonably hopeful of the press,  and rescuers,  to keep saying "over 150 unaccounted for, " in Surfside.  I think we know where they are.  When a 12 story stack of massive concrete slabs comes pancaking down on you,  you're probably not surviving.   The four survivors were miracles,  really.   And while it's true there could be voids in the basement parking garage, how many people are in their parking garage on a weekday night at 130 am?

Emily Dickinson had it right.   Hope is the thing with feathers.
So much for “ thoughts and prayers”.

Some don't find those to be much use, but YMMV.  Strongly enforced building codes and frequent inspections by structural engineers (with continued business operation contingent on prompt repairs) might be a good thing to pray for, however.  Also, generally, zoning laws putting occupied structures farther from shorelines most prone to saltwater infiltration below grade (though that appears not to be a factor in this particular tragedy). 

Like Kid, I wondered about the figures on survivors.  I think Oilcan is not referring to those who were in the area that the tower tore away from, who were left perched at the edges of precipices created by the shearing off of the collapsed portion.  There were indeed more than four survivors in those areas.  I am not sure where the figure of 4 comes from, but I assume refers to a lucky few who were on a top floor and "rode it down" in some area that remained a void.  I know that a teen boy survived in this way, but haven't heard if others did. 

I think the story hits many of us in a hard and disturbing way, if we've lived in medium-rise or high-rise apartments at some point in our lives, or had family members or friends who did.  I remember when my father (then widowed) moved into a co-op condo in an 8 story building that had some similarities to the Surfside towers.  As someone who can find the creaks of an old two-storey house a bit unsettling, I had to admire his insouciance on the seventh floor. 
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« Reply #10824 on: June 28, 2021, 01:12:17 PM »

From WaPo June 20



For weeks now, Democrats have been open about a two-track approach: pass what they can on a bipartisan, filibuster-proof basis, and use the reconciliation process to push remaining priorities through with 50 votes. The 11 Republicans who joined in the effort did so knowing Democrats are strongly considering that approach.

But on “Fox News Sunday,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said such a tactic would “be very problematic. … I think you’ll get a lot of pushback from every Republican.” On NBC’s “Meet the Press,” host Chuck Todd didn’t ask Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) directly about the reconciliation path, but Portman did say that a bill would be much more likely to pass by “growing the vote from the middle out.” In other words: Democrats shouldn’t even try to pursue their goals through every avenue possible, lest Republicans punish them even in an area where both parties ostensibly agree.

What makes this view especially curious is that both Graham and Portman argued that the Democrats’ reconciliation package, as Graham put it, “is not remotely related to what’s traditionally been called infrastructure.“

Stringing along credulous Democrats isn’t anything new for Republicans. Besides the bait-and-switch with Manchin, there were a host of these tricks pulled during Barack Obama’s presidency.

In 2009, for example, Obama let Democratic moderates spend months trying to persuade Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) to support a health-care overhaul. Summer came and went, and still Grassley wasn’t on board. Finally, Obama himself asked Grassley whether there were any changes that could bring him around. “I guess not, Mr. President,” Grassley replied.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/20/republicans-pulled-bait-and-switch-voting-rights-democrats-cant-let-them-do-it-infrastructure/


Published the week before this weekends GOP histrionics...


Same as it ever was...
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« Reply #10825 on: June 28, 2021, 01:18:22 PM »

New twist in FL:

Florida town told the residents their building was safe after the report was issued in 2018

Can you be more specific?
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« Reply #10826 on: June 28, 2021, 01:32:37 PM »

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« Reply #10827 on: June 28, 2021, 01:35:21 PM »

New twist in FL:

Florida town told the residents their building was safe after the report was issued in 2018

Can you be more specific?

Condo association was told the building was in 'very good shape' in 2018, report says


Rosendo Prieto, the Surfside building official at the time, told the building's condo association at a November 2018 meeting that the tower was in "very good shape," NPR reported Sunday, citing minutes from the meeting that it obtained.
Two days before the meeting, Mara Chouela, a member of the condo board, forwarded a copy of a structural engineer's report to Prieto that warned of "major structural damage," according to an email released by the town on Saturday.
"Structural engineer report was reviewed by Mr. Prieto," the minutes cited by NPR said, in an apparent reference to a 2018 report from structural engineer Frank Morabito, which detailed cracking and dilapidating concrete in the parking garage underneath the tower, among other significant issues. "It appears the building is in very good shape," the minutes noted, according to NPR.

Prieto no longer works for Surfside and currently serves as the interim building official for Doral, another city in Miami-Dade County, according to the Doral website and a county document. Prieto has not responded to requests for comment from CNN.
A resident of the condo, Susana Alvarez, told NPR that she attended the Nov. 15 meeting and remembered a representative of the town saying, "the building was not in bad shape."
Emails released by the town confirm Prieto attended the meeting.
The day after the meeting, Prieto sent another email to Guillermo Olmedillo, the former town manager, saying the condo board meeting "went very well."
"The response was very positive from everyone in the room," Prieto wrote in the November 16 email, which was released by the town Sunday evening. "All main concerns over their forty year recertification process were addressed."
He wrote that the building -- which was built in 1981 -- didn't have to start the recertification until 2021, "but they have decided to start the process early which I wholeheartedly endorse and wish that this trend would catch on with other properties."

The structural engineer's report pointed out concerns about structural damage to the concrete slab below the building's pool deck and "cracking and spalling" located in the parking garage, according to documents.
Spalling is a term used to describe areas of concrete that have cracked or crumbled.
The waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive was failing and causing "major structural damage," according to the report by Morabito of Morabito Consultants.
The report didn't indicate whether the structure was at risk of collapse.
In a statement to CNN, Morabito Consultants said that they "provided the condominium association with an estimate of the probable costs to make the extensive and necessary repairs. Among other things, our report detailed significant cracks and breaks in the concrete, which required repairs to ensure the safety of the residents and the public."
Abieyuwa Aghayere, a professor of structural engineering at Drexel University who reviewed the report, said its findings were alarming and should have spurred further review of the building's integrity.


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« Reply #10829 on: June 28, 2021, 01:40:14 PM »

Google is your friend, Barton, and my friend.

I don't think it's Kid's friend. It has lots of information that contradicts his closely held biases.
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