Total Members Voted: 11
Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 08:59:44 PMQuote from: josh on July 18, 2021, 12:03:30 PMQuote from: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 10:23:16 AMIt's a simple, utopian idea. If we give everyone a monthly check, we can eliminate poverty and do away with the inefficiencies of our cumbersome and flawed welfare state. Minneapolis is the latest city to give a “universal basic income” (UBI) a try. It's offering $500 a month for 18 months to 150 of its low-income residents with no work or spending restrictions.But others worry it's not so simple. A universal basic income would be expensive, and what if it discourages people to work, which could inadvertently increase inequality and lead to social instability? A new paper suggests the skeptics may be right: UBI may cause more harm than good for a very high cost.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-16/would-a-universal-basic-income-work-for-gen-z?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=210716&utm_campaign=sharetheviewThus far, none of the research has supported that supposition.That doesn't mean it won't change, but the evidence goes the other way.But even more than that, we don't need everybody to work for us to have enough for everybody to eat, have shelter, etc.This was declared more than 50 years ago and it is far more true today than it was then. It's one of the simple truths that make capitalism perhaps less called for than the capitalists would like.Assuming we survive our climate issues, there will not be enough jobs for everybody in this country to work. Cheaper energy is one of the main reasons for this. Efficiency of operation is another. Automation that takes advantage of the first and feeds into the second is the third.People need something to do, probably, but "work" for pay may well not be among themSure. No one needs to work when you create a system of DEPENDING on government assistance.You’d be surprised how many enterprising and entrepreneurial efforts will be unleashed in people who aren’t just scuffling to survive.
Quote from: josh on July 18, 2021, 12:03:30 PMQuote from: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 10:23:16 AMIt's a simple, utopian idea. If we give everyone a monthly check, we can eliminate poverty and do away with the inefficiencies of our cumbersome and flawed welfare state. Minneapolis is the latest city to give a “universal basic income” (UBI) a try. It's offering $500 a month for 18 months to 150 of its low-income residents with no work or spending restrictions.But others worry it's not so simple. A universal basic income would be expensive, and what if it discourages people to work, which could inadvertently increase inequality and lead to social instability? A new paper suggests the skeptics may be right: UBI may cause more harm than good for a very high cost.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-16/would-a-universal-basic-income-work-for-gen-z?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=210716&utm_campaign=sharetheviewThus far, none of the research has supported that supposition.That doesn't mean it won't change, but the evidence goes the other way.But even more than that, we don't need everybody to work for us to have enough for everybody to eat, have shelter, etc.This was declared more than 50 years ago and it is far more true today than it was then. It's one of the simple truths that make capitalism perhaps less called for than the capitalists would like.Assuming we survive our climate issues, there will not be enough jobs for everybody in this country to work. Cheaper energy is one of the main reasons for this. Efficiency of operation is another. Automation that takes advantage of the first and feeds into the second is the third.People need something to do, probably, but "work" for pay may well not be among themSure. No one needs to work when you create a system of DEPENDING on government assistance.
Quote from: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 10:23:16 AMIt's a simple, utopian idea. If we give everyone a monthly check, we can eliminate poverty and do away with the inefficiencies of our cumbersome and flawed welfare state. Minneapolis is the latest city to give a “universal basic income” (UBI) a try. It's offering $500 a month for 18 months to 150 of its low-income residents with no work or spending restrictions.But others worry it's not so simple. A universal basic income would be expensive, and what if it discourages people to work, which could inadvertently increase inequality and lead to social instability? A new paper suggests the skeptics may be right: UBI may cause more harm than good for a very high cost.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-16/would-a-universal-basic-income-work-for-gen-z?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=210716&utm_campaign=sharetheviewThus far, none of the research has supported that supposition.That doesn't mean it won't change, but the evidence goes the other way.But even more than that, we don't need everybody to work for us to have enough for everybody to eat, have shelter, etc.This was declared more than 50 years ago and it is far more true today than it was then. It's one of the simple truths that make capitalism perhaps less called for than the capitalists would like.Assuming we survive our climate issues, there will not be enough jobs for everybody in this country to work. Cheaper energy is one of the main reasons for this. Efficiency of operation is another. Automation that takes advantage of the first and feeds into the second is the third.People need something to do, probably, but "work" for pay may well not be among them
It's a simple, utopian idea. If we give everyone a monthly check, we can eliminate poverty and do away with the inefficiencies of our cumbersome and flawed welfare state. Minneapolis is the latest city to give a “universal basic income” (UBI) a try. It's offering $500 a month for 18 months to 150 of its low-income residents with no work or spending restrictions.But others worry it's not so simple. A universal basic income would be expensive, and what if it discourages people to work, which could inadvertently increase inequality and lead to social instability? A new paper suggests the skeptics may be right: UBI may cause more harm than good for a very high cost.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-16/would-a-universal-basic-income-work-for-gen-z?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=210716&utm_campaign=sharetheview
Quote from: bankshot1 on July 18, 2021, 06:58:54 PMQuote from: Oilcan on July 18, 2021, 06:01:22 PMQuote from: REDSTATEWARD on July 18, 2021, 02:41:29 PMBut if you truly follow the science of Climate Change alarmists of your ilk aren’t making much sense.I used to think you were either dishonest or stupid. Then I realized it was both. Facebook and QAnon sites are not reliable sources of scientific information.I wonder if Red believes the moronic things he posts, as I'm not sure he's as stupid as he portrays himself to be, and he's just trolling away. But I can't rule out stupidity is the shaky platform Red stands upon. But Red is clearly dishonest.Red is a shill.
Quote from: Oilcan on July 18, 2021, 06:01:22 PMQuote from: REDSTATEWARD on July 18, 2021, 02:41:29 PMBut if you truly follow the science of Climate Change alarmists of your ilk aren’t making much sense.I used to think you were either dishonest or stupid. Then I realized it was both. Facebook and QAnon sites are not reliable sources of scientific information.I wonder if Red believes the moronic things he posts, as I'm not sure he's as stupid as he portrays himself to be, and he's just trolling away. But I can't rule out stupidity is the shaky platform Red stands upon. But Red is clearly dishonest.
Quote from: REDSTATEWARD on July 18, 2021, 02:41:29 PMBut if you truly follow the science of Climate Change alarmists of your ilk aren’t making much sense.I used to think you were either dishonest or stupid. Then I realized it was both. Facebook and QAnon sites are not reliable sources of scientific information.
But if you truly follow the science of Climate Change alarmists of your ilk aren’t making much sense.
Quote from: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 08:57:46 PMQuote from: LarryBnDC on July 18, 2021, 11:59:43 AM”Tell us, Larry, if she were still here today, would you still beat your wife?FUN stuff.”You are literally a slag heap of human excrement.But next time I go to the Cathedral I’m going to light a candle for you.Hey, it was EXACTLY the same kind of "argument" that was made by you to justify the label racist.No.Nothing at all.
Quote from: LarryBnDC on July 18, 2021, 11:59:43 AM”Tell us, Larry, if she were still here today, would you still beat your wife?FUN stuff.”You are literally a slag heap of human excrement.But next time I go to the Cathedral I’m going to light a candle for you.Hey, it was EXACTLY the same kind of "argument" that was made by you to justify the label racist.
”Tell us, Larry, if she were still here today, would you still beat your wife?FUN stuff.”You are literally a slag heap of human excrement.But next time I go to the Cathedral I’m going to light a candle for you.
Kyrsten Sinema is who MLK is talking about.She called John Lewis her personal hero yesterday while being a stumbling block to the legislation that would cement the legacy of his life’s work."First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-trump-organization-money-mans-interview-with-investigatorsA mess.
Quote from: LarryBnDC on July 18, 2021, 10:35:14 PMQuote from: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 08:57:46 PMQuote from: LarryBnDC on July 18, 2021, 11:59:43 AM”Tell us, Larry, if she were still here today, would you still beat your wife?FUN stuff.”You are literally a slag heap of human excrement.But next time I go to the Cathedral I’m going to light a candle for you.Hey, it was EXACTLY the same kind of "argument" that was made by you to justify the label racist.No.Nothing at all.Then we agree to disagree.