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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[REDSTATEWARD]

CDC information on vaccinations of note:



Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread.

Thus far, 47 percent of whites are vaccinated, and 62 percent of Asians, but Hispanics sit at a much lower 39 percent, and blacks at an even lower 34 percent.



https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/health-coverage-by-race-and-ethnicity/

[bambu.]

13.5 m people, half the population, of bambuland...are in lockdown/stay at home orders..
In NSW state, Sydney basically, there are 27 people in ICU, 24 of those not vaccinated...11 people are on ventilators.
Yesterday 97 new cases, of which 21 were active in the community while infected.
Govt says it wants to get the 21 figure to zero.

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tom-barrack-charged-with-acting-as-a-foreign-agent-for-the-uae-11626807733?st=80c2gupzifprxtm&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Tom Barrack, the real-estate investor and a longtime ally of former President Trump, was arrested Tuesday in Los Angeles on charges that he acted as a foreign agent of the United Arab Emirates and lied to federal investigators.

A seven-count indictment filed by the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, N.Y., alleges that Mr. Barrack, along with a former employee and an Emirati businessman, acted at the direction of senior Emirati officials to influence Mr. Trump’s policy positions and to influence public opinion in favor of U.A.E. interests.

Mr. Barrack, 74 years old, was also charged with obstruction of justice and making false statements during a June 2019 interview with federal law-enforcement agents.

[josh]

CDC information on vaccinations of note:



Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread.

Thus far, 47 percent of whites are vaccinated, and 62 percent of Asians, but Hispanics sit at a much lower 39 percent, and blacks at an even lower 34 percent.



https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/health-coverage-by-race-and-ethnicity/

And with good reason, given how the medical profession has treated those populations over the years, Ward, not that you would even begin to accept that truth.

It's a problem. But the reason only 47% of whites are vaccinated is because of the GOP and Fox.

And because there are so many more whites, it creates at least as big a problem and in some states far bigger.

[FlyingVProd]

Biden is worried about inflation, the secret is to open up trade with Mexico, and to welcome Mexican grocery stores such as Northgate and Vallarta to open up new locations in the USA.

And Americans need to be open to new products from Mexico that they might not be familiar with but are high quality, such as Mexican brands of toilet paper, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

[Hamilton Samuels]

CDC information on vaccinations of note:



Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread.

Thus far, 47 percent of whites are vaccinated, and 62 percent of Asians, but Hispanics sit at a much lower 39 percent, and blacks at an even lower 34 percent.



https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/health-coverage-by-race-and-ethnicity/

And with good reason, given how the medical profession has treated those populations over the years, Ward, not that you would even begin to accept that truth.

It's a problem. But the reason only 47% of whites are vaccinated is because of the GOP and Fox.

And because there are so many more whites, it creates at least as big a problem and in some states far bigger.

There has been a very direct and conscience outreach into many of these communities, and in the NY Metro area, they are running ads all the time trying to bump these numbers up. But science isn't important in America. Dancing with the Stars, the NFL, and what will Britney do seem to be the priorities.

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/19/2040796/-Gaslighting-right-wing-pundits-double-down-on-claiming-Jan-6-siege-wasn-t-an-insurrection

[Holly Martins]

Kid I'm not a scientist, nor have the deep knowledge of deadly viruses you seem to have, but is it possible that the unvacced and unmasked are more vulnerable to getting infected with covid-delta, covid-epsilon, covid-next Greek letter mutant strain, as new mutations of covid  develop, mutations which could prove a deadly danger to those who got vacced and practice social distancing?

Is it that difficult an ask, to ask that citizens act together to fight this disease, by putting fears and superstitions and politics aside, and making the mutation conditions more difficult, by making the mutant pool smaller and making the virus work harder to find the idiots who want to be covid-mutant factories?

As Alexandra Petri warned, you don't want to get young people hooked on life-saving modern medicine.  That's coddling!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/16/concerned-vaccine-skeptics-push-back-against-disturbing-fad-teenagers-living/

Dr. Marty Makary is a pro­fessor at the Johns Hop­kins School of Med­i­cine, Bloomberg School of Pub­lic Health and Carey Busi­ness School who had this take on vaccinating teens for Covid today in the WSJ.



A tremen­dous num­ber of gov­ern­ment and pri­vate poli­cies af­fect­ing kids are based on one num­ber: 335. That is how many chil­dren un­der 18 have died with a Covid di­ag­nosis code in their record, ac­cord­ing to the Cen­ters for Dis­ease Con­trol and Pre­ven­tion. Yet the CDC, which has 21,000 em­ployees, hasn’t re­searched each death to find out whether Covid caused it or if it in­volved a preex­ist­ing med­ical con­dition.

With­out these data, the CDC Ad­vi­sory Commit­tee on Im­mu­niza­tion Prac­tices de­cided in May that the ben­e­fits of two-dose vac­ci­na­tion out-weigh the risks for all kids 12 to 15. I’ve writ­ten hun­dreds of peer-reviewed med­ical stud­ies, and I can think of no jour­nal ed­i­tor who would ac­cept the claim that 335 deaths re­sulted from a virus with­out data to in­di­cate if the virus was in­ci­den­tal or causal, and with­out an analy­sis of rel­e­vant risk fac­tors such as obesity.

Given the tremen­dous re­sources of the CDC and FDA, which to­gether em­ploy 39,000, these agen­cies ought to be able to re­port the sta­tistics needed to make in­formed pol­icy de­ci­sions. If the data are in­com­plete or flawed, so too will be the de­ci­sions de­rived from them. The vac­cine’s ben­e­fits may out­weigh its risks for healthy kids, but the gov­ern­ment shouldn’t try to push that con­clu­sion based on faulty data.




https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects-hospitalization-kids-11626706868

Makary's point doesn't address the herd immunity benefit of universal vaxxing.   And that's not a question of how many teens would have severe illness or death from the virus,  but of how many in the general population  would get the virus if all demographics are not part of the vaxxing.  And also,  the greater probability of mutant variants if there's a pool of unvaxxed out there.   So,  while Makary has indeed found an instance where peer review was insufficient and data analysis incomplete,  this doesn't change the bigger picture of community spread and more virulent mutants.   

[bambu.]

Biden is worried about inflation, the secret is to open up trade with Mexico, and to welcome Mexican grocery stores such as Northgate and Vallarta to open up new locations in the USA.

And Americans need to be open to new products from Mexico that they might not be familiar with but are high quality, such as Mexican brands of toilet paper, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

"A surge in demand for products and services can cause inflation as consumers are willing to pay more for the product."

[REDSTATEWARD]

CDC information on vaccinations of note:



Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread.

Thus far, 47 percent of whites are vaccinated, and 62 percent of Asians, but Hispanics sit at a much lower 39 percent, and blacks at an even lower 34 percent.



https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/health-coverage-by-race-and-ethnicity/

And with good reason, given how the medical profession has treated those populations over the years, Ward, not that you would even begin to accept that truth.

I see you are afflicted with preexisting racism.

It's a problem. But the reason only 47% of whites are vaccinated is because of the GOP and Fox.

LOL!  Okay I’ll add you also suffer from preexisting stupidity.

And [because there are so many more whites, it creates at least as big a problem and in some states far bigger.

LOL!
You (purposely)overlook the factor that is the elephant, er Donkey, in the room:
The concerted Biden/Harris/democrat campaign strategy of mistrusting any vaccine developed by the Trump Administration.
No wonder the public beyond the elderly hesitated when Kammy ran to the front of the Vaccination line once she was a heart beat away from the Presidency.
Really?
She didn’t trust Warp Speed?
And then, Voila!, hey everybody, get vaccinated!

[Holly Martins]

[]I  called you a racist because you are one and engaged in a continuing course of racist behavior. You lose again.

Boz,  you are one of my favorites here,  with sharply observed takes on issues,  nuanced arguments,  great quips and jests,  but seriously man,  this incandescent troll-turd is going to eat a hole in your brain if you keep engaging with him.  (this goes for several of you contentious motherfuckers out there...)

 His problem is obvious and he is like so many people in that he never sees himself as others see him.   And so much racism is unconscious,  incredible as that may seem when you witness what looks to be just corrosive racial bias and baiting.   The hallmark of many a racist is that they see racism everywhere but in themselves.  Because they've never had those moments of self-reflection where their own biases surface,  never had that painful awakening to what is almost the "original sin" of America.   (maybe I shouldn't appropriate a religious doctrine to describe a social ill)   

Knowing you (meaning everyone,  the general you) have some racist bias is the starting point of mitigating the adverse effects of it.   Beware of the person who smugly informs you they are "colorblind."   

[REDSTATEWARD]

Kid I'm not a scientist, nor have the deep knowledge of deadly viruses you seem to have, but is it possible that the unvacced and unmasked are more vulnerable to getting infected with covid-delta, covid-epsilon, covid-next Greek letter mutant strain, as new mutations of covid  develop, mutations which could prove a deadly danger to those who got vacced and practice social distancing?

Is it that difficult an ask, to ask that citizens act together to fight this disease, by putting fears and superstitions and politics aside, and making the mutation conditions more difficult, by making the mutant pool smaller and making the virus work harder to find the idiots who want to be covid-mutant factories?

As Alexandra Petri warned, you don't want to get young people hooked on life-saving modern medicine.  That's coddling!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/16/concerned-vaccine-skeptics-push-back-against-disturbing-fad-teenagers-living/

Dr. Marty Makary is a pro­fessor at the Johns Hop­kins School of Med­i­cine, Bloomberg School of Pub­lic Health and Carey Busi­ness School who had this take on vaccinating teens for Covid today in the WSJ.



A tremen­dous num­ber of gov­ern­ment and pri­vate poli­cies af­fect­ing kids are based on one num­ber: 335. That is how many chil­dren un­der 18 have died with a Covid di­ag­nosis code in their record, ac­cord­ing to the Cen­ters for Dis­ease Con­trol and Pre­ven­tion. Yet the CDC, which has 21,000 em­ployees, hasn’t re­searched each death to find out whether Covid caused it or if it in­volved a preex­ist­ing med­ical con­dition.

With­out these data, the CDC Ad­vi­sory Commit­tee on Im­mu­niza­tion Prac­tices de­cided in May that the ben­e­fits of two-dose vac­ci­na­tion out-weigh the risks for all kids 12 to 15. I’ve writ­ten hun­dreds of peer-reviewed med­ical stud­ies, and I can think of no jour­nal ed­i­tor who would ac­cept the claim that 335 deaths re­sulted from a virus with­out data to in­di­cate if the virus was in­ci­den­tal or causal, and with­out an analy­sis of rel­e­vant risk fac­tors such as obesity.

Given the tremen­dous re­sources of the CDC and FDA, which to­gether em­ploy 39,000, these agen­cies ought to be able to re­port the sta­tistics needed to make in­formed pol­icy de­ci­sions. If the data are in­com­plete or flawed, so too will be the de­ci­sions de­rived from them. The vac­cine’s ben­e­fits may out­weigh its risks for healthy kids, but the gov­ern­ment shouldn’t try to push that con­clu­sion based on faulty data.




https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects-hospitalization-kids-11626706868



Makary's point doesn't address the herd immunity benefit of universal vaxxing.   
[And that's not a question of how many teens would have severe illness or death from the virus,  but of how many in the general population  would get the virus if all demographics are not part of the vaxxing. 

And also,  the greater probability of mutant variants if there's a pool of unvaxxed out there.   So,  while Makary has indeed found an instance where peer review was insufficient and data analysis incomplete,  this doesn't change the bigger picture of community spread and more virulent mutants.

Covid seriously affects older people and without factoring that in the overall death is 1.8%.
Moreover the death rate has not been broken down to differentiate between those who died BECAUSE of COVID or WITH COVID?
Of the 335 deaths of teenagers the same holds true.
There is absolutely no medical reason without more data to require kids to be vaccinated.
This whole Covid cluster fuck is the result of misapplied or just plain wrong facts mixed in with confusion and political stupidity. 
The most glaring response from the great unwashed is
“Let’s follow the Science!
Well, Science gave us Covid in the first place.

[LarryBnDC]

CDC information on vaccinations of note:



Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread.

Thus far, 47 percent of whites are vaccinated, and 62 percent of Asians, but Hispanics sit at a much lower 39 percent, and blacks at an even lower 34 percent.



https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/health-coverage-by-race-and-ethnicity/

And with good reason, given how the medical profession has treated those populations over the years, Ward, not that you would even begin to accept that truth.

It's a problem. But the reason only 47% of whites are vaccinated is because of the GOP and Fox.

And because there are so many more whites, it creates at least as big a problem and in some states far bigger.

There has been a very direct and conscience outreach into many of these communities, and in the NY Metro area, they are running ads all the time trying to bump these numbers up. But science isn't important in America. Dancing with the Stars, the NFL, and what will Britney do seem to be the priorities.

<SFX> Weary Heavy sigh>

[kidcarter8]

Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread.


Clearly due in large part to VP Harris not accepting the vaccine as real and safe during the campaign - as a silly slight to the President.

[kidcarter8]

It's a problem. But the reason only 47% of whites are vaccinated is because of the GOP and Fox.


61% of the unvaccinated are non-Republican