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Should the US be concerned about an invasion of Ukraine by Russia?

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Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM


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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13770 on: August 10, 2021, 08:11:34 PM »

If fascinating can encompass baseless, irrational, dangerous, and ludicrous, I find your take fascinating as well.

It’s the sheer ignorant inconsistency of you positions that fascinates the most, Red.

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(Vice Chair) House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security: The Subcommittee has jurisdiction over the Federal Criminal Code, drug enforcement, sentencing, parole and pardons, internal and homeland security, the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, prisons and criminal law enforcement.

Gee, sounds like it's pertinent to her role in Congress for the nation, not just her own constituents.
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« Reply #13771 on: August 10, 2021, 08:43:29 PM »

If fascinating can encompass baseless, irrational, dangerous, and ludicrous, I find your take fascinating as well.

It’s the sheer ignorant inconsistency of you positions that fascinates the most, Red.

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(Vice Chair) House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security: The Subcommittee has jurisdiction over the Federal Criminal Code, drug enforcement, sentencing, parole and pardons, internal and homeland security, the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, prisons and criminal law enforcement.

Gee, sounds like it's pertinent to her role in Congress for the nation, not just her own constituents.
You are proof you can’t fix stupid of our Constitution.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13772 on: August 10, 2021, 09:08:32 PM »

The dipshit theories he’s replying to provide all the proof.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13773 on: August 10, 2021, 09:12:10 PM »

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1425258749929803778

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You have to be vaccinated to enter the @FoxNews building but @GovRonDeSantis is attacking kids, parents, teachers and school staff for only wanting the same thing.
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« Reply #13774 on: August 10, 2021, 09:22:07 PM »

http://www.salon.com/2021/08/10/follow-the-money-understanding-the-deep-roots-of-donald-trumps-coup-attempt/

Hunt them like Al Qaeda. Take their money and then their freedom for the continual threat they pose in their deep opposition to any kind of free humanity or rule of law. 
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13775 on: August 10, 2021, 09:24:23 PM »

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« Reply #13776 on: August 10, 2021, 09:53:26 PM »

http://www.salon.com/2021/08/10/follow-the-money-understanding-the-deep-roots-of-donald-trumps-coup-attempt/

Hunt them like Al Qaeda. Take their money and then their freedom for the continual threat they pose in their deep opposition to any kind of free humanity or rule of law.

“Dark-money groups, whose donors may remain anonymous but are clearly linked to influential right-wing think tanks and interest groups such as the Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), "have relentlessly promoted the myth that American elections are rife with fraud, and, according to leaked records of their internal deliberations, they have drafted, supported, and in some cases taken credit for state laws that make it harder to vote."

Uh huh.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13777 on: August 10, 2021, 10:08:08 PM »

https://kathrynjohnson.substack.com/p/civics-tuesday-fire-and-ice

Looking at the new climate report from the viewpoint of civic responsibility.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13778 on: August 10, 2021, 11:36:40 PM »

This a big fucking deal.

The reconciliation bill is moving through the Senate and if Moderate Democrats in the House and Senate don’t fuck this up and pass these into laws mostly intact it will be tough on GOP to run on economic issues.

Guess I’m still puffing on my “Pipe Dream.”



https://apnews.com/article/senate-infrastructure-bill-politics-joe-biden-a431f8c9f3f113b661cb3526512fc4e0

http://www.vox.com/22598883/infrastructure-deal-bipartisan-bill-biden-manchin

Going big to save the country.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13780 on: August 11, 2021, 03:16:40 AM »

CDC Case Maps from July 1, 2021 and August 1, 2021, respectively:

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« Reply #13781 on: August 11, 2021, 04:22:35 AM »

Btw, the US still leads the world in Total Cases, Total Deaths, New Cases, Active Cases and Serious/Critical Cases.

As long as you overlook China.

You know next to nothing about China or CV in China.  Why pretend otherwise?

Imagine a world in which back around Feb 1 2020 (or even March 1), the US implemented a fairly strict 2 month lockdown, where only health workers, pharmacists, food sellers and distributors were permitted to have businesses open.
People would be allowed to go outside but most everything was closed.  While the President wore a mask on TV and told the nation that a lockdown with folks staying home and away from others as much as possible, and wearing masks when around strangers, will stop the transmission of the virus. 

April 1st a gradual, careful reopening begins, expanding week by week.   Mask wearing still encouraged in public spaces, and companies encouraged to let employees work at home when possible.  Hardly any emphasis on social distancing, heavy reliance on masks.  Cheap rapid antigen tests are employed from the outset, asymptomatic positives getting more reliable followup nucleic tests.

By April 1st there are essentially zero domestic transmissions, as the virus has
nowhere to go and peters out.  While airports and borders very careful screen arrivals, which are highly limited, to avoid imported cases.  Any cases detected are dealt with by tried-and-true quarantines, along with extensive contact tracing and mass testing. 

After April 1 2020, life returns mostly to normal, with the exception of no mass events and mask wearing still encouraged.  Hospitals run as normal, people don't get sick from CV, people don't die from CV.  The economy grows at a huge clip of 5% - 6% as much of the world is dealing with large disruptive outbreaks.  US manufacturing even rebounds.

By May 1st, and especially June 1st 2020, coronavirus is something happening elsewhere.  Bars and restaurants are full, gyms open, life is normal.  Though mask wearing is still encouraged to be careful.  Roughly 50% voluntarily wear masks in public, even while domestic transmissions rarely occur.  Schools reopen Sept 2020 with no restrictions.  Life is very close to normal.  Folks don't get sick or die from CV.  The US awaits the vaccines which the president and everyone is looking forward to as a means of thwarting and diminishing the threat of CV for good.  America is back!


Basically, that is exactly what happened in China.  The voluntary lockdown -- non-essential businesses had to close -- in Shanghai lasted from Jan 22 to March 21 2020.  March 22, I was in a gym playing basketball again (one guy played while masked).  I was still fairly careful for the first 2 months of the reopening.  But by July 1, I had stopped wearing a mask except when required (subway, buses, gov't buildings, some office buildings, etc).  Been that way for over a year now.  I only wear a mask when required, or if everyone else is.  My worry about catching the virus is close to zero and has been for over a year now.

All the fear and inconvenience and sickness and death Americans experienced for the past 15 months could have been avoided.  I didn't go through that.  We know how a simple respiratory virus transmits, and its not that hard to stop, given the will and proper implementation.  Lockdowns, quarantines, testing with quick results, and mask wearing. 

The past 15 months have been a hugely different experience in China than in the US.  China rose to the challenge so its people were safe and life normal, the US succumbed and embarrassingly made a health crisis into a political issue.  The president couldn't even protect his workplace and himself from the virus.
Chinese were significantly inconvenienced for two months and then returned to their normal lives.  The US has experienced a long slow unfolding medical crisis for 15 months, which has greatly disrupted lives, along with prolonged fear and worry (and sickness).

An abysmal response to a flu-like pandemic by the US gov't and a good % of Americans.  Incompetence.  Unnecessary suffering.  A huge embarrassment.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #13782 on: August 11, 2021, 09:31:04 AM »

The question for me, Bo, is about what's happening there now?
 
I'm seeing stories like
Covid-19 Delta variant cluster spreads in China's eastern Jiangsu province
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXf8aBs9zLA from the South China Morning Post
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Covid cases hit-7 months high in China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGz129_AQUQ from WION

and that officials are being punished for failure to control the Delta outbreak.
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« Reply #13783 on: August 11, 2021, 09:37:58 AM »

I think what Bo is sort of saying is China's authoritarian rule worked far more efficiently with the problem of containing covid-19 than we could in the US. While Trump tried really hard at authoritarianism, he sucked at governing. In addition, the Chinese didn't have the problem of politicizing the disease for political gain, as western style 2-party political conflict does not exist in China.

What Bo doesn't say was that while China did a very good job containing the virus in country, they were wholly indifferent to the rest of the world getting infected and suffering due to their actions, and lied and covered up their complicity and allowed the virus to spread globally.

Imagine a world in which back around Feb 1 2020 (or even March 1), the US implemented a fairly strict 2 month lockdown...

As discussed a year or so ago, locking down the US before the virus really showed its dark side here, and throwing the US into a recession, and costing the economy trillions, and savaging savings and security, closing schools, with nary an infection in sight would have been politically impossible, even if it were scientifically valid.

We should own our own ignorance, fears, actions and inactions, and deep internal political divisions in dealing with this health crisis, but,


Imagine a world in which China told the truth seems to be a truer narrative and probably a far more effective preventive medicine. 
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« Reply #13784 on: August 11, 2021, 09:47:00 AM »

http://www.salon.com/2021/08/10/follow-the-money-understanding-the-deep-roots-of-donald-trumps-coup-attempt/

Hunt them like Al Qaeda. Take their money and then their freedom for the continual threat they pose in their deep opposition to any kind of free humanity or rule of law.

“Dark-money groups, whose donors may remain anonymous but are clearly linked to influential right-wing think tanks and interest groups such as the Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), "have relentlessly promoted the myth that American elections are rife with fraud, and, according to leaked records of their internal deliberations, they have drafted, supported, and in some cases taken credit for state laws that make it harder to vote."

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