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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[REDSTATEWARD]

Clearly the issue of defunding or not defunding the police (as well as what it means) involves national politicians in the Senate, the House, and the White House.

How do I know that?

Because Senator Tuberville put forth an amendment calling for punishment of communities that defund their police,

Senator Booker was excited about that proposed amendment:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/11/cory-booker-tommy-tuberville-defund-the-police-newday-vpx.cnn

I'm sure Coach Tuberville can draw up a game plan, but I assume that Red is embarrassed by good coach's grasp of federalism.

Upgrading public understanding of Federalism is not Red's agenda here.  It is more a crusade.  Of one.

The public understanding of Federalism is well documented.
It is comforting to know the US Senate, in the question of defunding the police, stands as one in staying out of local decisions.

[facilitatorn]

A fuller explanation of her position is that she favors reallocation to community building which would reduce the need for armed enforcers but not eliminate them.   

So,  already, we arrive at the need to distinguish between elimination of police and reallocating funds so they are a smaller portion of all social services.   Which does she advocate?   Going beyond sound bites...

The police Department is not a social service. It’s job is law enforcement.

So protecting the public is not a service to society?   Apprehension of criminals is not a service to society?   That's an interesting definition,  and seems debatable.

Cori Bush has no connection to its purpose or its responsibilities to municipalities and local governments....

So she's NOT representing a congressional district in St.  Louis??   And what those constituents want from those assigned to protect them and keep the peace?   Wow,  that's a fascinating take on democracy!

Semantics, much?

It’s weird watching Hammy get lost trying to chew his way out of his own ass.

[bambu.]

The Taliban will be totally in control of all of Afghanistan in about 90 days.
Kabul will fall soon, then the rest of the country.

Same thing will happen in America if the patriots disappear.
Long live patriots who love the flag and the national
anthem.
Federal govt should issue a National Patriot Card to all prepared to swear allegiance to the USA above all others.

USA Uber alles!

Exactly..."above all".

Would you prefer any American citizens to be otherwise?

[REDSTATEWARD]

"Maddow" finished behind 12 different Fox News programs in the demo, as "Tucker Carlson Tonight," "Hannity," "The Five," "The Ingraham Angle," "Special Report with Bret Baier," "Gutfeld!," "Fox News Primetime," Your World with Neil Cavuto," Outnumbered," "The Story with Martha MacCallum," "Fox & Friends" and "America Reports" all finished with larger audiences than MSNBC’s most popular program in the key category.

Meanwhile, MSNBC’s flagship morning program "Morning Joe" failed to crack 100,000 demo viewers for the first time since October 2015.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-struggles

HL Mencken had a famous quote about that....

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

That quote can’t be found attributable to Mencken.

However:


What Mencken (1880-1956) did write, in the Sept. 19, 1926 edition of the Chicago Daily Tribune, was: “No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

Wikipedia defines “ Plains People”



The Plains tribes are usually divided into two broad classifications which overlap to some degree. The first group became a fully nomadic horse culture during the 18th and 19th centuries, following the vast herds of buffalo, although some tribes occasionally engaged in agriculture. These include the Arapaho, Assiniboine, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Comanche, Crow, Gros Ventre, Kiowa, Lakota, Lipan, Plains Apache (or Kiowa Apache), Plains Cree, Plains Ojibwe, Sarsi, Nakoda (Stoney), and Tonkawa. The second group were sedentary and semi-sedentary, and, in addition to hunting buffalo, they lived in villages, raised crops, and actively traded with other tribes. These include the Arikara, Hidatsa, Iowa, Kaw (or Kansa), Kitsai, Mandan, Missouria, Omaha, Osage, Otoe, Pawnee, Ponca, Quapaw, Wichita, and the Santee Dakota, Yanktonai and Yankton Dakota.

[Hamilton Samuels]

"Maddow" finished behind 12 different Fox News programs in the demo, as "Tucker Carlson Tonight," "Hannity," "The Five," "The Ingraham Angle," "Special Report with Bret Baier," "Gutfeld!," "Fox News Primetime," Your World with Neil Cavuto," Outnumbered," "The Story with Martha MacCallum," "Fox & Friends" and "America Reports" all finished with larger audiences than MSNBC’s most popular program in the key category.

Meanwhile, MSNBC’s flagship morning program "Morning Joe" failed to crack 100,000 demo viewers for the first time since October 2015.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-struggles

HL Mencken had a famous quote about that....

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

That quote can’t be found attributable to Mencken.

However:


What Mencken (1880-1956) did write, in the Sept. 19, 1926 edition of the Chicago Daily Tribune, was: “No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

Wikipedia defines “ Plains People”



The Plains tribes are usually divided into two broad classifications which overlap to some degree. The first group became a fully nomadic horse culture during the 18th and 19th centuries, following the vast herds of buffalo, although some tribes occasionally engaged in agriculture. These include the Arapaho, Assiniboine, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Comanche, Crow, Gros Ventre, Kiowa, Lakota, Lipan, Plains Apache (or Kiowa Apache), Plains Cree, Plains Ojibwe, Sarsi, Nakoda (Stoney), and Tonkawa. The second group were sedentary and semi-sedentary, and, in addition to hunting buffalo, they lived in villages, raised crops, and actively traded with other tribes. These include the Arikara, Hidatsa, Iowa, Kaw (or Kansa), Kitsai, Mandan, Missouria, Omaha, Osage, Otoe, Pawnee, Ponca, Quapaw, Wichita, and the Santee Dakota, Yanktonai and Yankton Dakota.

The "s" makes a big difference.

RIF.

Reading is fundamental.

An additional quote from Mencken proves who he was really talking about, and it was not the Pawnee, Kemosabe: “As democracy is perfected, the office (of the President) represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

[bambu.]

In bambuland now there is ...
"A Call To Arms"

"Come forward and get vaccinated, we need your arm to fight the war on Covid".

I nearly started singing La Marseillaise.
"To arms, citizens".

Many who were hesitant are responding to the call.

[Hairy Lime]

Clearly the issue of defunding or not defunding the police (as well as what it means) involves national politicians in the Senate, the House, and the White House.

How do I know that?

Because Senator Tuberville put forth an amendment calling for punishment of communities that defund their police,

Senator Booker was excited about that proposed amendment:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/11/cory-booker-tommy-tuberville-defund-the-police-newday-vpx.cnn

I'm sure Coach Tuberville can draw up a game plan, but I assume that Red is embarrassed by good coach's grasp of federalism.

Upgrading public understanding of Federalism is not Red's agenda here.  It is more a crusade.  Of one.

The public understanding of Federalism is well documented.
It is comforting to know the US Senate, in the question of defunding the police, stands as one in staying out of local decisions.

...unless the local decision is the "wrong" one.

[facilitatorn]

That’s when the fascists get murderously authoritarian and cram their stupidest ideas down, like this

http://youtu.be/8m6RovrMcs4

Back to school…

[REDSTATEWARD]

Clearly the issue of defunding or not defunding the police (as well as what it means) involves national politicians in the Senate, the House, and the White House.

How do I know that?

Because Senator Tuberville put forth an amendment calling for punishment of communities that defund their police,

Senator Booker was excited about that proposed amendment:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/11/cory-booker-tommy-tuberville-defund-the-police-newday-vpx.cnn

I'm sure Coach Tuberville can draw up a game plan, but I assume that Red is embarrassed by good coach's grasp of federalism.

Upgrading public understanding of Federalism is not Red's agenda here.  It is more a crusade.  Of one.

The public understanding of Federalism is well documented.
It is comforting to know the US Senate, in the question of defunding the police, stands as one in staying out of local decisions.

...unless the local decision is the "wrong" one.

What would be the “ wrong” decision?

[Hairy Lime]

Clearly the issue of defunding or not defunding the police (as well as what it means) involves national politicians in the Senate, the House, and the White House.

How do I know that?

Because Senator Tuberville put forth an amendment calling for punishment of communities that defund their police,

Senator Booker was excited about that proposed amendment:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/11/cory-booker-tommy-tuberville-defund-the-police-newday-vpx.cnn

I'm sure Coach Tuberville can draw up a game plan, but I assume that Red is embarrassed by good coach's grasp of federalism.

Upgrading public understanding of Federalism is not Red's agenda here.  It is more a crusade.  Of one.

The public understanding of Federalism is well documented.
It is comforting to know the US Senate, in the question of defunding the police, stands as one in staying out of local decisions.

...unless the local decision is the "wrong" one.

What would be the “ wrong” decision?

LOL. Bait a different hook.

[LarryBnDC]

Women are smarter, Hammy.

Not sure where that leaves eunuchs like you.

Your gender bias is noted.

Oh, Prunella!

[REDSTATEWARD]

Clearly the issue of defunding or not defunding the police (as well as what it means) involves national politicians in the Senate, the House, and the White House.

How do I know that?

Because Senator Tuberville put forth an amendment calling for punishment of communities that defund their police,

Senator Booker was excited about that proposed amendment:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/11/cory-booker-tommy-tuberville-defund-the-police-newday-vpx.cnn

I'm sure Coach Tuberville can draw up a game plan, but I assume that Red is embarrassed by good coach's grasp of federalism.

Upgrading public understanding of Federalism is not Red's agenda here.  It is more a crusade.  Of one.

The public understanding of Federalism is well documented.
It is comforting to know the US Senate, in the question of defunding the police, stands as one in staying out of local decisions.

...unless the local decision is the "wrong" one.

What would be the “ wrong” decision?

LOL. Bait a different hook.

This one worked just fine.

[LarryBnDC]

My guess is that the reason a majority see the Squad and other new Democrats as denigrating law enforcement is because they are absorbing the narrative of the Right, promoted widely on social media and right-leaning media outlets.  If you actually listen to what the new Dems are saying, it doesn't quite fit that narrative, but who has time to read or research, 'miright?  Just go with the soundbite!

Bad guess.

Thanks for demonstrating my point.

Omar, por ejemplo, wants a federal oversight committee for local policing.  Her proposals have come under quite valid criticism. I'll pause while you develop your "point".

Policing is local but the policing problem is national.

[LarryBnDC]

Clearly the issue of defunding or not defunding the police (as well as what it means) involves national politicians in the Senate, the House, and the White House.

How do I know that?

Because Senator Tuberville put forth an amendment calling for punishment of communities that defund their police,

Senator Booker was excited about that proposed amendment:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/11/cory-booker-tommy-tuberville-defund-the-police-newday-vpx.cnn

I'm sure Coach Tuberville can draw up a game plan, but I assume that Red is embarrassed by good coach's grasp of federalism.

Upgrading public understanding of Federalism is not Red's agenda here.  It is more a crusade.  Of one.

The public understanding of Federalism is well documented.
It is comforting to know the US Senate, in the question of defunding the police, stands as one in staying out of local decisions.

Oh come on!

Y’all made a major face plant on this.

This is one of the most epic self owns in modern Senate history.

[josh]

My guess is that the reason a majority see the Squad and other new Democrats as denigrating law enforcement is because they are absorbing the narrative of the Right, promoted widely on social media and right-leaning media outlets.  If you actually listen to what the new Dems are saying, it doesn't quite fit that narrative, but who has time to read or research, 'miright?  Just go with the soundbite!

Bad guess.

Thanks for demonstrating my point.

Omar, por ejemplo, wants a federal oversight committee for local policing.  Her proposals have come under quite valid criticism. I'll pause while you develop your "point".

Policing is local but the policing problem is national.

International, but decidedly national, as well.