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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[kiidcarter8]

Wait a minute...

WHAT happened in Loudon yesterday?

[LarryBnDC]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

People whose property or property rights were compensated if they were seized. Eminent domain is not designed to compensate for community or neighborhood inconvenience even if that inconvenience has an economic impact. If you cut off half a community from access to the other half - parks and community centers, local businesses, churches synagogues and mosques, that is not a taking.

OK 
So who was responsible for routing the interstates through metropolitan areas?

A brief explanation

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8605917/highways-interstate-cities-history

[facilitatorn]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-strategist-anton-lazzaro-arrested-for-underage-sex-trafficking?ref=home

Any republicans not involved in the trafficking of minors for sexual purposes these days?

Not the trump republicans, of course. They’re hip deep into all kinds of trafficking. It’s why they want to keep up their insurrection.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/12/child-tax-credit-hunger-rates-504258

Nice to see Biden’s policies beginning to perform as expected.

Remember in November Democrats deliver while republicans defile.

[LarryBnDC]

The GOP cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Too little, too late Rep. Crenshaw


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDY38E9Oxc

[Holly Martins]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk. 

[josh]

Infrastructure racism. Two views.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58106414


And...https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/bidens-infrastructure-bill-is-chock-full-of-anti-white-racism/

The solution is a problem, and the problem needs a solution.

The problem is that the journalists who write for the BBC and the creepy fucking morons hired by the post to lie badly in their publications are put on the same level by feckless idiots on the internet and elsewhere.

How do you propose to solve this problem, oh Great Cheez Whiz Hamster?

Two views. Neither endorsed. The Left Coast leftist doesn't tolerate different views.

Your intolerant nature defines your ardent philosophy.

He didn't claim you endorsed it. He asked you how you would solve the problem, in response to your saying "The solution is a problem, and the problem needs a solution."

The problem Hammy can solve is how he’s lumped a fairly deep, nuanced, and detailed article by people who are very good at journalism with the ranting of death panel Karen in the Murdoch poop shoot gazette.

The false equivalence is the problem.

Hammy’s inability to distinguish one thing from another is a problem.

One imagines him leaving the house with a sensible loafer on his left foot and a smear of dog shit on the other. One imagines him doing this every damn day.

The problem as it relates to urban and residential planning and transportation, the solution, and the degree to which its both potentially and likely to be effective are covered in the BBC article and ignored in favor of salty incoherent bullshit in the Post. Hammy brought the BBC article to the table. I won’t fix his misunderstandings by feeding it to him again.

Ham is too ugly for me to want to pre-chew his food for him. Thanks all the same.

You inferred what was never implied. I presented two pieces with two different takes on how race is and has played a role with regard to infrastructure. The rest is your overreaction to what was clearly written.

Perhaps the larger problem here was your own eagerness to attack another poster, and perhaps due to your own prejudices.

Ciao, Che.

The solution is a problem, and the problem needs a solution.

The words are yours, nobody else's.

Your refusal to acknowledge them is Wardian.

[josh]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Some cool things for sale at Sturgis...


https://www.insider.com/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-merchandise-features-nazi-imagery-2021-8

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

[facilitatorn]

You must vaccinated.

Or sane.

Or patriotic.

Or Moral.

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

[LarryBnDC]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

[josh]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

And had they only messed up Negro neighborhoods, I would just shut up and nod.

But they didn't.

And very few of the neighborhoods they "renewed" survived intact.