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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

Because unlike Obama they are not following CDC protocols.

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

Because unlike Obama they are not following CDC protocols.

How’s that?

[LarryBnDC]

 :-[i

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

And had they only messed up Negro neighborhoods, I would just shut up and nod.

But they didn't.

And very few of the neighborhoods they "renewed" survived intact.

You said, “In hindsight.”

 

[facilitatorn]

http://www.vox.com/22613532/climate-change-methane-emissions

[facilitatorn]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

Because unlike Obama they are not following CDC protocols.

How’s that?

You should really try to get your pinhead around what the CDC guidelines are, Red.

[Hamilton Samuels]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

Quit whining.

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

Because unlike Obama they are not following CDC protocols.

How’s that?

LOL. I do not have the time to further your ESL instruction, or to translate to your native tongue of utter gibberish.

[Hairy Lime]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

Quit whining.

Yeah, Larry, Forrest wants you to quit being uppity! Take what you are given and be content! Whitey knows what's best for you!

[josh]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-rally-bikers-in-south-dakota-are-unvaccinated-unmasked-and-coming-for-america

  What really startled me was that the local healthcare company,   Monument Health,  doesn't require its employees to get vaxed.  At least they've got a VP there who's capable of straight talk.

Why can’t they all be “sophisticated” like Obama partiers?

By sophisticated you mean following CDC protocols?

That’s a better question for Obama.
More important. If Obama wants to live his “ best life” why shouldn’t he?
And why shouldn’t the rest of us, including Sturgis?

Because unlike Obama they are not following CDC protocols.

Why bother?!

[josh]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

Quit whining.

Yeah! Who cares if families and neighborhoods were disrupted?! Piggy's beauty rest is being bothered by your raising a legit point!

[facilitatorn]

Quit whining.

You should try growing a penis, Hammy, or maybe ordering one through the mail.

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/12/2045417/-WOW-FOX-News-Poll-Shows-the-Democrats-3-5-Trillion-Budget-Bill-is-Favored-By-a-WHOPPING-18-Points

[bodiddley]

Juan Cole with a useful Afghanistan post-mortem:
https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/washington-afghanistan-crashing.html

He equates the last 18+ years as a military/kleptocratic ponzi scheme.
He seems to underplay Pakistan's central role (and somewhat excuses it as a reaction to India gaining influence there).  But overall a good primer on who the key groups were, what went wrong, and why it slogged on for decades (it was too lucrative for all the elites involved.

The one sure thing everyone knew was that the Americans (and allies) were going to walk away one day.  Probably no one foresaw that being a full 20 years later.  But the locals know they can always wait out and outlast the occupiers (the locals largely have no where else to go).  Imagine being a 25 year old Afghani and all you've know your entire life is warfare and occupation and insecurity...

[Hamilton Samuels]

Gov. Cuomo as a kid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS9wZVHSBbM

[Hamilton Samuels]

If you are revitalizing infrastructure, and as a small fraction of that investment you can correct engineering decisions that perpetrate immense tragic societal ills, you do it both morally and fiscally. Rebuilding cities to better suit the understood needs of their populations every few generations is a hallmark of civilizations that haven’t collapsed. If rerouting certain roads reduces hospitalization and incarceration in densely populated areas, spend big now so those savings can be realized going forward all the time until you need to do it again.

If you are hiring to revitalize infrastructure, you are managing streams of wealth and income to get it done. If you recognize systemic factors leading to de facto racial preferences in contracting, making it you policy to counteract that in your contracting choices is both good politics and good policy.

Austerity, denial of racism, sexism, insurrection, and anti-vaccine propaganda are all one great circle under Koch.

If one believes in true equality, let the best bid win---don't base it on the race of the bidder, simply because decisions based upon race are inherently racist.

I have no issues with how the roads are built as far as where they go, or how the local neighborhoods that will be effected are compensated for their inconveniences---as traditionally Eminent Domain comes into play.

How.were.the communities and neighborhoods divided by the interstates in the first place compensated for their inconvenience? The owners of the property were compensated, but the neighborhood?

Werent the business owners, landlords or private home owners compensated under eminent domain?
How would renters be compensated?

You’re missing the point.

Across the nation highways were purposefully used to bisect thriving neighborhoods and communities and in essence destroy the community. Businesses fled along with jobs and services.

How to create blight 101.

Was it purposeful or, they just didn't give a fuck?

Ignorance, I think.

Truly. Urban Cities, Model Cities, Interstate Highway... all of these were well-intentioned with readily identifiable mistakes in hindsight.

At the time there were chants such as:

“Urban Renewal Means Negro Removal”


One of the many reasons people resent gentrification

Quit whining.

Funny how "blight" goes away once certain people come into the neighborhood and "gentrify" it.

When a neighborhood is diversified by an influx of nonwhite people, the newcomers’ incomes tend to be about average for that neighborhood. But when white people move into a mostly nonwhite neighborhood, their incomes tend to be much higher than the local average.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-poverty-gentrification-white-black-neighborhoods-20190507-story.html


And that's a bad thing for some because it indicates that poverty and education is the real problem, not what the fuck color your neighbor is. People who emphasize education and working hard to make money to care for themselves and their families have a real advantage in America. People who continue to blame history or society or systemic structures for their own lack of success don't do so well.

If "Negroes" are removed by gentrification, it is by their own doing.