Total Members Voted: 11
Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Barton3.0 on September 12, 2021, 11:38:39 AMQuote from: LarryBnDC on September 11, 2021, 09:16:21 PMQuote from: Barton3.0 on September 11, 2021, 09:10:09 PMYank has raised a nuanced point about the political calculus of drifting center. I think the legislation you obtain when the centrists balk at full throttle progressive bills is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. " Larry raises the.reasonable question of how much good are half-measures. I really can't tell. I don't think there was ever much chance that senators from states like WV or AZ were going to keep their pink tutus on once elected. I doubt WV would have ever elected a Democrat if it weren't for their coal miner/Mother Jones heritage which still generates some sort of legacy loyalty among working class folk. I suspect that would cave in pretty quick if Manchin went full prog. Democrats went half in on Obamacare and did not convince enough people good healthcare was not socialism so they got shellacked.Try killing ACA now.Same with reconciliation and voting rights bills.Half assed will not do.This is worth discussion -- why won't a half assed voting rights bill do? Would not just the ban on gerrymandering be extremely valuable? Or give up the fight against voter ID for now, but get something that shields county election boards from overthrow by state legislatures? Half an ass doesn't rule out getting the other half later. If the levee is about to break, you bulldoze as fast as you can, not sit around waiting for the Army Corps of Engineers to drop in a new levee. (edit: typo)Where are the 10 GOP votes coming from for voting rights?If the GOP votes are not forthcoming why bother negotiating the bill down to half measures?
Quote from: LarryBnDC on September 11, 2021, 09:16:21 PMQuote from: Barton3.0 on September 11, 2021, 09:10:09 PMYank has raised a nuanced point about the political calculus of drifting center. I think the legislation you obtain when the centrists balk at full throttle progressive bills is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. " Larry raises the.reasonable question of how much good are half-measures. I really can't tell. I don't think there was ever much chance that senators from states like WV or AZ were going to keep their pink tutus on once elected. I doubt WV would have ever elected a Democrat if it weren't for their coal miner/Mother Jones heritage which still generates some sort of legacy loyalty among working class folk. I suspect that would cave in pretty quick if Manchin went full prog. Democrats went half in on Obamacare and did not convince enough people good healthcare was not socialism so they got shellacked.Try killing ACA now.Same with reconciliation and voting rights bills.Half assed will not do.This is worth discussion -- why won't a half assed voting rights bill do? Would not just the ban on gerrymandering be extremely valuable? Or give up the fight against voter ID for now, but get something that shields county election boards from overthrow by state legislatures? Half an ass doesn't rule out getting the other half later. If the levee is about to break, you bulldoze as fast as you can, not sit around waiting for the Army Corps of Engineers to drop in a new levee. (edit: typo)
Quote from: Barton3.0 on September 11, 2021, 09:10:09 PMYank has raised a nuanced point about the political calculus of drifting center. I think the legislation you obtain when the centrists balk at full throttle progressive bills is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. " Larry raises the.reasonable question of how much good are half-measures. I really can't tell. I don't think there was ever much chance that senators from states like WV or AZ were going to keep their pink tutus on once elected. I doubt WV would have ever elected a Democrat if it weren't for their coal miner/Mother Jones heritage which still generates some sort of legacy loyalty among working class folk. I suspect that would cave in pretty quick if Manchin went full prog. Democrats went half in on Obamacare and did not convince enough people good healthcare was not socialism so they got shellacked.Try killing ACA now.Same with reconciliation and voting rights bills.Half assed will not do.
Yank has raised a nuanced point about the political calculus of drifting center. I think the legislation you obtain when the centrists balk at full throttle progressive bills is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. " Larry raises the.reasonable question of how much good are half-measures. I really can't tell. I don't think there was ever much chance that senators from states like WV or AZ were going to keep their pink tutus on once elected. I doubt WV would have ever elected a Democrat if it weren't for their coal miner/Mother Jones heritage which still generates some sort of legacy loyalty among working class folk. I suspect that would cave in pretty quick if Manchin went full prog.
Next time someone talks about fiscal responsibility remind them the USA spent $300,000,000 per DAY for 20 fucking years on war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Quote from: LarryBnDC on September 11, 2021, 09:16:21 PMQuote from: Barton3.0 on September 11, 2021, 09:10:09 PMYank has raised a nuanced point about the political calculus of drifting center. I think the legislation you obtain when the centrists balk at full throttle progressive bills is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. " Larry raises the.reasonable question of how much good are half-measures. I really can't tell. I don't think there was ever much chance that senators from states like WV or AZ were going to keep their pink tutus on once elected. I doubt WV would have ever elected a Democrat if it weren't for their coal miner/Mother Jones heritage which still generates some sort of legacy loyalty among working class folk. I suspect that would cave in pretty quick if Manchin went full prog. Democrats went half in on Obamacare and did not convince enough people good healthcare was not socialism so they got shellacked.Try killing ACA now.Same with reconciliation and voting rights bills.Half assed will not do.This is worth discussion -- why won't a half assed voting rights bill do?
Half assed or fully assed the bill is unconstitutional.
Quote from: FlyingVProd on September 12, 2021, 11:40:24 AMThe terrorists attacked the World Trade Center because they did not want us to expand world trade.That's not why.They attacked it because it was a hugely visible target and would get a lot of attention.
The terrorists attacked the World Trade Center because they did not want us to expand world trade.
Quote from: REDSTATEWARD on September 12, 2021, 12:35:36 PMHalf assed or fully assed the bill is unconstitutional. See the elections clause, Article I, section four But the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing senators
Quote from: Barton3.0 on September 12, 2021, 11:38:39 AMQuote from: LarryBnDC on September 11, 2021, 09:16:21 PMQuote from: Barton3.0 on September 11, 2021, 09:10:09 PMYank has raised a nuanced point about the political calculus of drifting center. I think the legislation you obtain when the centrists balk at full throttle progressive bills is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. " Larry raises the.reasonable question of how much good are half-measures. I really can't tell. I don't think there was ever much chance that senators from states like WV or AZ were going to keep their pink tutus on once elected. I doubt WV would have ever elected a Democrat if it weren't for their coal miner/Mother Jones heritage which still generates some sort of legacy loyalty among working class folk. I suspect that would cave in pretty quick if Manchin went full prog. Democrats went half in on Obamacare and did not convince enough people good healthcare was not socialism so they got shellacked.Try killing ACA now.Same with reconciliation and voting rights bills.Half assed will not do.This is worth discussion -- why won't a half assed voting rights bill do? Half assed or fully assed the bill is unconstitutional.
Quote from: josh on September 12, 2021, 11:52:21 AMQuote from: FlyingVProd on September 12, 2021, 11:40:24 AMThe terrorists attacked the World Trade Center because they did not want us to expand world trade.That's not why.They attacked it because it was a hugely visible target and would get a lot of attention.So's the fucking Grand Canyon