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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16260 on: September 14, 2021, 05:18:22 PM »

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.
The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.
I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.
It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.
The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.
Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.
the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.
The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?


There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.
Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16261 on: September 14, 2021, 05:19:35 PM »

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.
The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.
I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.
It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.
The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.
Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.
the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.
The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?


There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.
Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.
None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16262 on: September 14, 2021, 05:28:00 PM »

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-898254/v1

The COVID-19 Hospitalization Metric in the Pre- and Post-vaccination Eras as a Measure of Pandemic Severity: A Retrospective, Nationwide Cohort Study

This study suggests that maybe the numbers of those hospitalized may be made up of more asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic people than has previously been assumed. This is primarily true in the post-vaccination period, which has seen those latter two categories increase as a percentage of the hospitalized.

However, as the authors point out, this is looking at VA hospitals which may not be a good match for the characteristics of national hospitals as a whole. Among other things, as you might guess, the number of women and children is far lower than would be seen in the general population. Further, "most of the data are from months before the more-transmissible delta variant became dominant." While they offer potentially mitigating information from the end of their observation period (June 30), I think this last point needs to be taken into consideration when considering the rest of the information.

Even if we grant the underlying premise and excuse the timing, it does not explain why the ICU beds are being filled! Nor does it explain away the ten fold increase in average daily deaths.

This is a pre-print study and should not be relied on (for all that the media seem to have seized upon it).

p.s. I see that folks here have posted the Atlantic article which relies on this study.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16263 on: September 14, 2021, 05:32:19 PM »

From the Atlantic story:

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The study did run through June 30, however, when the Delta wave was about to break, and it did not find that the proportion of patients with moderate to severe respiratory distress was trending upward at the end of the observation period.

"About to break" is not indicative of the problems that occurred over the summer.

They need to (a) expand beyond the VA hospitals and (b) look now and compare their results with the prior information.

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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16264 on: September 14, 2021, 05:36:19 PM »

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.
The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.
I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.
It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.
The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.
Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.
the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.
The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?


There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.
Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.
None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.
Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16265 on: September 14, 2021, 05:52:26 PM »

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

In a nut shell that is proof that you shit where you eat and fully explains why no one ever listens to you
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16266 on: September 14, 2021, 05:54:46 PM »

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16267 on: September 14, 2021, 05:57:47 PM »

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

That did not need to be nearly so deadly, as other nations and some states have illustrated.

And for which the GOP bears disproportionate responsibility, because they made vaccines, masks, and the whole issue political.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16268 on: September 14, 2021, 06:00:35 PM »

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.
The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.
I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.
It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.
The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.
Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.
the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.
The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?


There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.
Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.
None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.


Not yet.

And Newsom won by cheating even though no votes had been counted.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16269 on: September 14, 2021, 06:07:52 PM »

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.
This is definitely near the top of Kid's Greatest Hits.  Phony sanctimony.  Idiocy.  It has it all!!!!
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16270 on: September 14, 2021, 06:08:35 PM »

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.

It is a deadly fucking virus the federal government allowed to run unchecked. Your party fucked up and would not step up at any opportunity.

Warp Speed was a Great SUCCESS yet you motherfuckers are fighting getting vaccinated..

Goddamn death cult overseeing a slow motion Jonestown.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16271 on: September 14, 2021, 06:15:13 PM »

Josh always sees the manure in the haystack, never the pony.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16272 on: September 14, 2021, 06:17:23 PM »

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.

It is a deadly fucking virus the federal government allowed to run unchecked. Your party fucked up and would not step up at any opportunity.

Warp Speed was a Great SUCCESS yet you motherfuckers are fighting getting vaccinated..

Goddamn death cult overseeing a slow motion Jonestown.

Who do you blame HIV on?
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #16273 on: September 14, 2021, 06:18:13 PM »

Josh always sees the manure in the haystack, never the pony.

Stop putting manure in the haystack and pretending it is a pony
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« Reply #16274 on: September 14, 2021, 06:26:33 PM »

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.

It is a deadly fucking virus the federal government allowed to run unchecked. Your party fucked up and would not step up at any opportunity.

Warp Speed was a Great SUCCESS yet you motherfuckers are fighting getting vaccinated..

Goddamn death cult overseeing a slow motion Jonestown.

Who do you blame HIV on?

There is only one party in modern politics that has taken the plague rat on as its mascot through indifference depravity and greed leaving the republican legacy of desiccation sabotage and decay from the moral rot of it soulless center and out to whatever it can slime with its reach.

It is why republican faces become more ugly with each line of bullshit republican talking points they repeat.

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